[CCWG-Accountability] Welcome note

Tue Dec 9 09:45:53 UTC 2014

Dear All,
Sorry my connection was interrupted two times, I repeat
Dear All

Most of the thing foreseen to be done are directly related to ICG
activities .
I do not understand how the repreventatives of  ICG would be given the
right to take part in consensus building.The confusion came from the
message sent by Thomas  in his announcement that  it did not  make it clear
that I am among the 5 members of GAC ,REPRESTING  ICG.
There are problems in the whole process.
I agree with Richard that it is impossible that more than 150 people attend
a live virtual meeting of one hour.
I am not aware of the process in CWG but in ICG only the members raise hand
and ask for the floor.
I do not see any light at the end of the CCWG Tunnel.
I need clarification from chair and corrective measures from Thomas to
announce me as he should have announced it
Regards
Kavouss

2014-12-09 10:43 GMT+01:00 Kavouss Arasteh <kavouss.arasteh at gmail.com>:

> Dear All,
> Sorry my connection was interrupted two times, I repeat
> Dear All
>
> Most of the thing foreseen to be done are directly related to ICG
> activities .
> I do not understand how the repreventatives of  ICG would be given the
> right to take part in consensus building.The confusion came from the
> message sent by Thomas  in his announcement that  it did not  make it clear
> that I am among the 5 members of GAC ,REPRESTING  ICG.
> There are problems in the whole process.
> I agree with Richard that it is impossible that more than 150 people
> attend a live virtual meeting of one hour.
> I am not aware of the process in CWG but in
> I
>
> 2014-12-09 10:40 GMT+01:00 Kavouss Arasteh <kavouss.arasteh at gmail.com>:
>
>> Dear All,
>> Sorry my connection was interrupted two times, I repeat
>> Dear All
>>
>> Most of the thing foreseen to be done are directly related to ICG
>> activities .
>> I do not understand how the repreventatives of  ICG would be given the
>> right to take part in consensus building.The confusion came from the
>> message sent by Thomas  in his announcement that  it did not  make it clear
>> that I am among the 5 members of GAC ,REPRESTING  ICG.
>> There are problems in the whole process.
>> I
>>
>> 2014-12-09 10:35 GMT+01:00 Kavouss Arasteh <kavouss.arasteh at gmail.com>:
>>
>>> Dear All,
>>> Most of the thing foreseen to be done are directly related to ICG
>>> activities .
>>> I do not understand how the repreventatives of  ICG would be given the
>>> right to take part in consensus building.The confusion came from the
>>> message sent by T
>>>
>>> 2014-12-09 10:33 GMT+01:00 Kavouss Arasteh <kavouss.arasteh at gmail.com>:
>>>
>>>> Dear All,
>>>> Most of the thing foreseen to be done are directly related to ICG
>>>> activities .
>>>> I do not understand how the re[preventatives of
>>>>
>>>> 2014-12-09 10:22 GMT+01:00 Richard Hill <rhill at hill-a.ch>:
>>>>
>>>>> Indeed, in Section IV, under "Membership Criteria", the charter says:
>>>>>
>>>>> "Participants will be able to actively participate in and attend all
>>>>> CCWG-accountability meetings, work groups and sub-work groups. However,
>>>>> should there be a need for a consensus call or decision, such consensus
>>>>> call or decision will be limited to CCWG-Accountability members appointed
>>>>> by the chartering organizations."
>>>>>
>>>>> That is, "participants" do not have decision-making rights.
>>>>>
>>>>> Here is what I had to say about this on 11 November (and I understand
>>>>> that the message in question was transmitted to the co-chairs of the
>>>>> drafting team for the charter):
>>>>>
>>>>> > Work Stream 1 of this group is "focused on mechanisms enhancing ICANN
>>>>> > accountability that must be in place or committed to within the time
>>>>> > frame of the IANA Stewardship Transition;"
>>>>> >
>>>>> > In this context, it is important to note that the NTIA called for the
>>>>> > IANA stewardship function to be transitioned to "the global
>>>>> multistakeholder
>>>>> > community", which is broader than the existing ICANN constituency.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > In contrast, the Accountability CCWG, while stating that it will
>>>>> adhere
>>>>> > to the principle of opennes, has in fact created a two-tier
>>>>> structure, with
>>>>> > decision-making power being restricted to a specific group of
>>>>> stakeholders,
>>>>> > namely those currently involved in the domain name business.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > There is of course nothing wrong with a subset of stakeholders
>>>>> conducting
>>>>> > consultations and presenting proposals, so I have no objection to the
>>>>> > CCWG per se and I am not prejudging the output of the CCWG.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > But it is not a process that is truly open to the global
>>>>> multistakeholder
>>>>> > community.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Therefore I will not participate as an observer and I reserve my
>>>>> right to
>>>>> > submit to appropriate forums and entities my views regarding the
>>>>> outputs
>>>>> > of the CCWG.
>>>>>
>>>>> So, unless the charter is modified, I don't plan to participate in the
>>>>> group.
>>>>>
>>>>> Or do I misunderstand what seems to be clear language in the charter?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks and best,
>>>>> Richard
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: accountability-cross-community-bounces at icann.org [mailto:
>>>>> accountability-cross-community-bounces at icann.org]On Behalf Of Greg
>>>>> Shatan
>>>>> Sent: mardi, 9. décembre 2014 00:57
>>>>> To: Thomas Rickert
>>>>> Cc: accountability-cross-community at icann.org
>>>>> Subject: Re: [CCWG-Accountability] Welcome note
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Mathieu, Thomas and all,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I might humbly suggest that we all re-read the CCWG's Charter prior to
>>>>> that discussion, to be found at
>>>>> https://community.icann.org/display/acctcrosscomm/Charter.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Greg Shatan
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Gregory S. Shatan ï Abelman Frayne & Schwab
>>>>> 666 Third Avenue ï New York, NY 10017-5621
>>>>> Direct  212-885-9253 | Main 212-949-9022
>>>>> Fax  212-949-9190 | Cell 917-816-6428
>>>>> gsshatan at lawabel.com
>>>>> ICANN-related: gregshatanipc at gmail.com
>>>>> www.lawabel.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Dec 8, 2014 at 5:59 PM, Thomas Rickert <rickert at anwaelte.de>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>> we would like to suggest we clarify the question of membership and
>>>>> participant status as well as the role of a liaison during tomorrow's call.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Kindest regards,
>>>>> Mathieu Weill and Thomas Rickert
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Am 08.12.2014 um 23:49 schrieb Adebunmi AKINBO <
>>>>> akinbo.adebunmi at gmail.com>:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> +1 Greg
>>>>> +1 Pamela
>>>>> -1 Arasteh
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I am a participant by the look of things and its not embarrassing or
>>>>> humiliating.
>>>>> We need to guide against such utterances to build fluidity and respect
>>>>> for the process.
>>>>> We all count as we contribute to the current issue.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Any ground rules in the charter that we need to take note to ensure
>>>>> rights and obligations?
>>>>> Moderator(s) should put us through.
>>>>> -AA.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Dec 8, 2014 at 8:45 PM, Rudolph Daniel <rudi.daniel at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Rec'd with thx.
>>>>> Rudi Daniel
>>>>> ICT consulting & lighting products
>>>>> 784 430 9235
>>>>> On Dec 5, 2014 2:03 PM, "Thomas Rickert" <rickert at anwaelte.de> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Dear All,
>>>>> We would like to welcome you to the Cross Community Working Group on
>>>>> Enhancing ICANN Accountability (CCWG-Accountability). Now that the charter
>>>>> has been adopted by a number of organizations, namely the At-Large Advisory
>>>>> Committee (ALAC), Country Code Names Supporting Organization (ccNSO),
>>>>> Generic Names Supporting Organization (GNSO), we thought it would be timely
>>>>> to commence the planning for the activities of the CCWG-Accountability.
>>>>> Meetings
>>>>> The first meeting of the CCWG- Accountability has been scheduled for
>>>>> Tuesday 9 December at 20:00 UTC  (call details will be circulated shortly).
>>>>> Following that regular online meetings are expected to alternate between
>>>>> 11:00 and 14:00 UTC to allow for maximum participation taking into account
>>>>> the different time zones.
>>>>> Participation
>>>>> In addition to members appointed by the chartering organizations,
>>>>> there are currently 100 individuals subscribed to this mailing list who are
>>>>> participating in this effort as individual participants. Participants are
>>>>> expected to actively contribute in mailing list conversations as well as
>>>>> meetings. It is anticipated that participants will provide essential input
>>>>> to the process. They will participate similar to ICANN chartering
>>>>> organization appointed members.
>>>>> Statements of Interest (SOI)
>>>>> If you have not done so yet, you will be invited to submit a Statement
>>>>> of Interest (SOI) following the online procedures outlined here (
>>>>> https://community.icann.org/x/c4Lg) or alternatively provide a
>>>>> statement which at a minimum should include your name, whether you are
>>>>> representing a certain organization or company as part your participation
>>>>> in this effort, areas of specific interest in relation to this effort,
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>>>>> country of residence. Please contact Grace Abuhamad (
>>>>> accountability-staff at icann.org) if you have any questions concerning
>>>>> your SOI.
>>>>> Mailing List Observers
>>>>> Note that in addition to chartering organization appointed members and
>>>>> individual participants, there will also be the possibility for those
>>>>> interested to sign up to this effort as a mailing list observer. Contrary
>>>>> to members and participants, who are expected to actively participate in
>>>>> mailing list conversations as well as meetings, mailing list observers will
>>>>> have read-only access to the mailing list and will be able to post, do not
>>>>> receive the invites for the various meetings and calls of the CCWG (note
>>>>> that audio streaming will be provided for those interested to follow the
>>>>> CCWG meetings) and do not have to complete a statement of interest. At any
>>>>> point in time, a mailing list observer can join the CCWG as a participant
>>>>> should he or she want to by informing ICANN staff.
>>>>>  As several of you were added to this mailing list as a result of your
>>>>> earlier interest in the Cross Community Group, should you wish to change
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>>>>> Preparation for the first meeting
>>>>> In order to prepare for the first meeting of the CCWG- Accountability,
>>>>> you are strongly encouraged to review the CCWG charter ahead of the meeting.
>>>>> Note that per our charter one of our first objectives will be to
>>>>> develop a work plan and define the contents of Work Streams 1 and 2
>>>>> (WS1/WS2). You are encouraged to share any ideas or suggestions you may
>>>>> have to facilitate these tasks with the mailing list.
>>>>> I look forward to working with you.
>>>>> Kind regards,
>>>>> Thomas Rickert (CCWG Co-Chair GNSO)
>>>>>
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