[CCWG-Accountability] Op-Ed from ITIF regarding permanent cross-community group as ultimate authority

Thu Dec 18 06:08:46 UTC 2014

Hi Carrie, 

The links you posted point to proposals - several of which are out there - and not any official plan as such. I'm curious - what specific hearing are you talking about? Would be great if you could share more info for the benefit of non-US participants.

Best,
Arun

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> On 18-Dec-2014, at 10:45 am, Carrie Devorah <carriedev at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Here is what I emailed to Greg
> 
> Research, reading.
> Attending hearings.
> Are you not aware the intention is to move ICANN to Europe?  
> 
> http://domainnewsafrica.com/can-icann-be-trusted-if-obama-allows-for-oversight-transition/
> 
> https://search.yahoo.com/yhs/search?p=icann+plans+to+move+Iana+to+switzerland&ei=UTF-8&hspart=mozilla&hsimp=yhs-001
> 
> Offices in LA are rented.
> Oversight/DRS is shifted to EU
> 
> Are you aware ICANN was hacked AGAIN even though testified to Congress never been hacked nor will ever be? Last month it was 'spearfished' whatever the heck that is
> 
> On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 11:45 PM, Greg Shatan <gregshatanipc at gmail.com> wrote:Where did you ever get such an idea?  "Stated" by whom?
> 
> On Thu, Dec 18, 2014 at 12:09 AM, Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg at mcgill.ca> wrote:
>> 
>> I must have missed those stated plans...  Alan
>> 
>> At 17/12/2014 11:07 PM, Carrie Devorah wrote:
>>> Why are you worried about planning for California laws when the stated plans are if and when Congress lets IANA go the plan is, not to keep ICANN/IANA in America but to move IANA to Switzerland where it will be under legal oversight for DRS of WIPO?
>>> Sincerely
>>> Carrie Devorah
>>> 
>>> On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 10:41 PM, LeÃ³n Felipe SÃ¡nchez AmbÃa <leonfelipe at sanchez.mx> wrote:
>>> Dear Kavouss,
>>> 
>>> I like the idea of examining other options. Which options should we be looking at?
>>> 
>>> Best regards,
>>> 
>>> LeÃ³n
>>>> El 17/12/2014, a las 14:21, Kavouss Arasteh < kavouss.arasteh at gmail.com> escribiÃ³:
>>>> 
>>>>   
>>>> Dear All,
>>>> The entity may be one option. However, it is not what we were thinking of
>>>> First of all, no mentioned was made of GAC
>>>> Second the composition of the group is not mentioned
>>>> Third the footing is not mentioned
>>>> Fourth the legal Framework is not mentioned and
>>>> More importantly, it seems to me that every possible effort is made to maintain the current structure as we are talking of SO and AC .However, this is not the realistic composition.
>>>> We need to look at other option in which the process is more democratic.
>>>> All these SO and AC are not fully democratic as the stakeholder does not have direct role on that
>>>> Please kindly do not limit us to merely existing practice and model
>>>> There are variety of possibilities
>>>> I know most of you are for statuesque 
>>>> But I and many others wants to see and examine other options 
>>>> 
>>>> Kavouss
>>>>  
>>>> 
>>>> 2014-12-17 17:45 GMT+01:00 "Carlos RaÃºl G." <crg at isoc-cr.org>:
>>>> Dear Steve 
>>>> 
>>>> Are you suggesting we include changes in the bylaws within the scope of the working groups? I would have a few suggestions!
>>>> 
>>>> Cheers
>>>> 
>>>> Carlos RaÃºl GutiÃ©rrez
>>>> +506 8335 2487
>>>> Enviado desde mi iPhone
>>>> 
>>>> El dic 17, 2014, a las 10:20 AM, Steve DelBianco <sdelbianco at netchoice.org > escribiÃ³:
>>>> 
>>>>> This pertains to our discussion yesterday about a permanent, cross-community â€˜Membershipâ€™ group to hold ICANN board and management accountable to the community.  It was described this way in draft3 for work area 2: 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Amend ICANN bylaws to recognize a permanent cross-community representative structure (all ACs, SOs, Constituencies) with authority to:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Appoint members of Affirmation review teams
>>>>> Review a board decision, or resolve a dispute (option to use independent panel)
>>>>> Approve changes to ICANN bylaws or Articles, with 2/3 approval
>>>>> Approve annual proposed ICANN budget
>>>>> Recall one or all ICANN Board members
>>> 
>>> One of the groups proposing a community of stakeholders as ultimate authority posted a relevant Op-Ed in a Washington paper today.  Daniel Castro of the Information Technology & Innovation Foundation (ITIF) wrote:
>>> 
>>> California state law applies since ICANN is a registered nonprofit corporation in the state. As such, California law allows nonprofit organizations to have statutory members. Gunnarson suggests that one way to provide an effective check on the ICANN board's power is to create statutory members of ICANN with extensive authority over the board. This authority could include removing board members, overturning board decisions, etc. The statutory members would likely include the chairs of the various ICANN "supporting organizations" and "advisory committees," such as the Address Supporting Organization (ASO) responsible for IP address policy and the Country Code Name Supporting Organization (ccNSO) responsible for managing the country code top-level domains. To ensure that the statutory members do not hold too much sway, their actions could be limited to situations where there is a supermajority (i.e., consensus). 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> We welcome further elaboration of legal basis to enable this modification to ICANNâ€™s bylaws in conformance with California law.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Steve DelBianco
>>> 
>>> Executive Director
>>> 
>>> NetChoice
>>> 
>>> http://www.NetChoice.org and http://blog.netchoice.org
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>>> +1.202.420.7482
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