[CCWG-Accountability] Op-Ed from ITIF regarding permanent cross-community group as ultimate authority

Thu Dec 18 07:00:50 UTC 2014

Hi Arun
House- Judiciary.
I believe it was March 14(?) but March 2014
Fadi testified before the House
Amongst his statements were that ICANN was never hacked. THis hearing was
my first encounter with ICANN. I learned that night ICANN began with a
hack. Soon after Jon Postel died and then Crocker began push for ICANN.
Fast forward to my attending that hearing, within a month or so ICANN was
hacked twice

Fadi testified answering generally about DRS for Americans never once
stating, as it is appearing in ICANN papers that DRS are adressed in a WIPO
forum in Switzerland.

I dont think most are reading the site as I have been hence coming across
that

I think you also want to look up the Darshana Leitner win in DC Courts
against ICANN.

Jones Day claims for ICANN there is no value to the suffixes. Which beggars
the question if there is no value how come they are going at auction for
millions of dollars

And ICANN claims it does not have, as I recall, the authority alleging
there is another entity with the authority, again research the suit

Most concerning is the process has alot of volunteers busy but the ultimate
decision in the Boards

At an AEI event Crocker was not expected at, I asked him to disclose about
Shinkuro and 1net.org   He said the Board know about it.
He also answered another questioner's concern for IP that ICANN has nothing
to do with IP.

THere is alot more. It is important to read and research

On Thu, Dec 18, 2014 at 1:08 AM, Arun Sukumar <arun.sukumar at nludelhi.ac.in>
wrote:
>
> Hi Carrie,
>
> The links you posted point to proposals - several of which are out there -
> and not any official plan as such. I'm curious - what specific hearing are
> you talking about? Would be great if you could share more info for the
> benefit of non-US participants.
>
> Best,
> Arun
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On 18-Dec-2014, at 10:45 am, Carrie Devorah <carriedev at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Here is what I emailed to Greg
>
> Research, reading.
> Attending hearings.
> Are you not aware the intention is to move ICANN to Europe?
>
>
> http://domainnewsafrica.com/can-icann-be-trusted-if-obama-allows-for-oversight-transition/
>
>
> https://search.yahoo.com/yhs/search?p=icann+plans+to+move+Iana+to+switzerland&ei=UTF-8&hspart=mozilla&hsimp=yhs-001
>
> Offices in LA are rented.
> Oversight/DRS is shifted to EU
>
> Are you aware ICANN was hacked AGAIN even though testified to Congress
> never been hacked nor will ever be? Last month it was 'spearfished'
> whatever the heck that is
>
> On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 11:45 PM, Greg Shatan <gregshatanipc at gmail.com>
> wrote:Where did you ever get such an idea?  "Stated" by whom?
>
> On Thu, Dec 18, 2014 at 12:09 AM, Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg at mcgill.ca
> > wrote:
>>
>>  I must have missed those stated plans...  Alan
>>
>> At 17/12/2014 11:07 PM, Carrie Devorah wrote:
>>
>> Why are you worried about planning for California laws when the stated
>> plans are if and when Congress lets IANA go the plan is, not to keep
>> ICANN/IANA in America but to move IANA to Switzerland where it will be
>> under legal oversight for DRS of WIPO?
>> Sincerely
>> Carrie Devorah
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 10:41 PM, LeÃ³n Felipe SÃ¡nchez AmbÃa <
>> leonfelipe at sanchez.mx> wrote:
>>  Dear Kavouss,
>>
>> I like the idea of examining other options. Which options should we be
>> looking at?
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> LeÃ³n
>>
>> El 17/12/2014, a las 14:21, Kavouss Arasteh < kavouss.arasteh at gmail.com>
>> escribiÃ³:
>>
>>
>> Dear All,
>> The entity may be one option. However, it is not what we were thinking of
>> First of all, no mentioned was made of GAC
>> Second the composition of the group is not mentioned
>> Third the footing is not mentioned
>> Fourth the legal Framework is not mentioned and
>> More importantly, it seems to me that every possible effort is made to
>> maintain the current structure as we are talking of SO and AC .However,
>> this is not the realistic composition.
>> We need to look at other option in which the process is more democratic.
>> All these SO and AC are not fully democratic as the stakeholder does not
>> have direct role on that
>> Please kindly do not limit us to merely existing practice and model
>> There are variety of possibilities
>> I know most of you are for statuesque
>> But I and many others wants to see and examine other options
>>
>> Kavouss
>>
>>
>> 2014-12-17 17:45 GMT+01:00 "Carlos RaÃºl G." <crg at isoc-cr.org>:
>>  Dear Steve
>>
>> Are you suggesting we include changes in the bylaws within the scope of
>> the working groups? I would have a few suggestions!
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Carlos RaÃºl GutiÃ©rrez
>> +506 8335 2487
>> Enviado desde mi iPhone
>>
>> El dic 17, 2014, a las 10:20 AM, Steve DelBianco <
>> sdelbianco at netchoice.org > escribiÃ³:
>>
>>  This pertains to our discussion yesterday about a permanent,
>> cross-community â€˜Membershipâ€™ group to hold ICANN board and management
>> accountable to the community.  It was described this way in draft3
>> <https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/51414327/WorkArea2%20Accountability%20suggestions%20%5Bdraft%203%5D.pdf?version=1&modificationDate=1418610739000&api=v2>
>> for work area 2:
>>
>>  Amend ICANN bylaws to recognize a permanent cross-community
>> representative structure (all ACs, SOs, Constituencies) with authority to:
>>
>>  Appoint members of Affirmation review teams
>> Review a board decision, or resolve a dispute (option to use independent
>> panel)
>> Approve changes to ICANN bylaws or Articles, with 2/3 approval
>> Approve annual proposed ICANN budget
>> Recall one or all ICANN Board members
>>
>>
>> One of the groups proposing
>> <http://www.innovationfiles.org/key-principles-for-the-icann-transition/>
>> a community of stakeholders as ultimate authority posted a relevant Op-Ed
>> <http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/technology/227375-icann-transition-plan-needs-new-ideas-to-ensure-accountability>
>> in a Washington paper today.  Daniel Castro of the Information Technology &
>> Innovation Foundation (ITIF) wrote:
>>
>>  California state law applies since ICANN is a registered nonprofit
>> corporation in the state. As such, California law allows nonprofit
>> organizations to have statutory members. Gunnarson suggests that one way to
>> provide an effective check on the ICANN board's power is to create
>> statutory members of ICANN with extensive authority over the board. This
>> authority could include removing board members, overturning board
>> decisions, etc. The statutory members would likely include the chairs of
>> the various ICANN "supporting organizations" and "advisory committees,"
>> such as the Address Supporting Organization (ASO) responsible for IP
>> address policy and the Country Code Name Supporting Organization (ccNSO)
>> responsible for managing the country code top-level domains. To ensure that
>> the statutory members do not hold too much sway, their actions could be
>> limited to situations where there is a supermajority (i.e., consensus).
>>
>>
>>  We welcome further elaboration of legal basis to enable this
>> modification to ICANNâ€™s bylaws in conformance with California law.
>>
>>
>>
>> Steve DelBianco
>>
>> Executive Director
>>
>> NetChoice
>>
>> http://www.NetChoice.org <http://www.netchoice.org/> and
>> http://blog.netchoice.org
>>
>> +1.202.420.7482
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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CARRIE Devorah
 562 688 2883

DISCLAIMER :
With the continuing crossing and interfacing of platforms both on & off
line both with & without our knowledge nor approval to note nothing sent
over the Internet anymore is ever private nor should be presumed to be so.
If it is that much of a secret, say nothing. If you must? Take a lesson
from our military- hand write the note, chew then swallow
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