[CCWG-ACCT] Follow up from the last CCWG call
kierenmccarthy at gmail.com
Wed Apr 8 13:23:11 UTC 2015
I feel obliged to point out that the last time the Reconsideration Committee was called out for providing no real level of accountability, it was recommended that non board members be included on the committee. What happened to that solution?
Also with respect to reasons b) and c). These avenues are made somewhat impossible by the fact that ICANN assesses whether the release of any information will cause its decisions to be questioned when deciding (under another equally worthless accountability measure, the DIDP) whether to release any information. This happened recently with the hotels IRP.
In other words, it's a rigged game.
These huge flaws have been known for some time. What continues to prevent the Board from tackling them?
[sent through phone]
On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 3:39 AM, Bruce Tonkin
<Bruce.Tonkin at melbourneit.com.au> wrote:
> Hello Robin,
>>> One issue has been brought up about the problem of the circular nature of the RR process at this point - that it is basically asking the board to decide if it was right before. There was some suggestion that we need to look at this circular aspect of the issue as well, and possibly find a mechanism that provides for a different set of eyes making the first cut when at looking at the merits of Request. I'd be interested to hear what others think of this circular aspect of the RR process.
> Note that the current reconsideration process has three broad categories of request:
> a. one or more staff actions or inactions that contradict established ICANN policy(ies); or
> b. one or more actions or inactions of the ICANN Board that have been taken or refused to be taken without consideration of material information, except where the party submitting the request could have submitted, but did not submit, the information for the Board's consideration at the time of action or refusal to act; or
> c. one or more actions or inactions of the ICANN Board that are taken as a result of the Board's reliance on false or inaccurate material information
> The majority of the re-consideration requests in the past couple of years have been in category (a) above. It is rare that the request is able to argue a contradiction to policy - but the board in this case is a "second set of eyes". In most cases the complainant wants the staff decision (usually an external panel) to be reconsidered on its merits - not whether it is consistent with an ICANN policy. There is not currently a mechanism to allow a second set of experts to review the original panel decision on its merits. The cases where the complaint has been successful is where a process has not been followed correctly by a panel.
> In the case of (b) - this does involve a Board decision - but rarely to complainants provide any new material information that relates to the decision. If there is new material information - it does seem reasonable that the original set of eyes is able to see if that information would change their decision.
> I have yet to see a case of (c) - where the complaint has been able to show that the information used by the Board was false.
> I do like your idea though of having another body (including potentially the ombudsman) to have an arms length review of the process. Current ICANN uses its external counsel to give a review of the matter that is independent of staff - but the external law firm is clearly acting on behalf of the organization rather than the complainant. The external firm focusses on ensuring that the original panel followed all the rules in making its decision.
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