[CCWG-ACCT] Objection to our present work planning

Edward Morris egmorris1 at toast.net
Fri Apr 10 01:03:01 UTC 2015


I share your concern and like you I'm not going to be able to attend every
general, subgroup and sub-subgroup meeting going forward. We all have lives
away from ICANN and invariably there are going to be times when other
aspects of our existence need to take priority. I'm just amazed and very
grateful that there are those who are able to volunteer and donate such an
incredible amount of time to our joint effort. This is an exceptional group
of people.

I'm very happy that our  immediate deadline was shifted from early to late
April at the Istanbul meeting. It helped. I too wish we could go forward at
an even more reasoned and considered pace. I can't attend the meeting
tonight or, frankly, a few other nights where they have been scheduled. I'm
committed to this project but I'm also committed to attending my own
birthday party later this month. I sort of need to be there for that. So be
it. Our CCWG is not operating in isolation and I do understand the need for
a tight deadline. I don't like it, but I do understand it.

I do have one request, though, that would allow me to participate in as
complete a manner as I can going forward given my own circumstances. Would
it be possible, even at additional cost, to have staff or contracted help
to produce complete transcripts of the CCWG and WP sessions on a maximum 24
hour turnaround (or something approaching that)? My concern is that those
of us who can't be at every meeting would either not participate in future
sessions we could attend, feeling we weren't up to date on matters,  or,
even worse, would drag down future proceedings as we tried to understand
that which we missed. Audio recordings are nice, but time consuming. Fast
track transcripts, I think, could help alleviate some problems caused by
the intensive work schedule.

Thanks for considering,


On Thu, Apr 9, 2015 at 1:01 PM, Roelof Meijer <Roelof.Meijer at sidn.nl> wrote:

> Dear co-chairs, dear all,
> I find myself in agreement with Eberhard with regard to the steep increase
> in the number of calls for both the CCWG as well as its subgroups like wp1
> and acct-legal.
> It frustrates me to see that, after a period during which we burned a lot
> of time on -let me politely phrase it as „less relevant and/or out of
> scope”- subjects and several of us warned against the deadline becoming
> unreachable, we have know replaced the deadline that has become
> unrealistic with a work planning that is simply absurd.
> As a result, we now have roughly a two hour conference call every day of
> the week, several days with two calls, and thus more calls in a week at
> unholy hours.
> I object to this way of working, as it makes the whole process far less
> inclusive. Many of us have both a demanding job as well as a private life,
> both of which we cherish. For me it is now simply unavoidable to miss a
> significant part of the calls and impossible to deal with all the
> necessary working groups’ work in-between them. I know that this is now
> the case for quite a number of us.
> We are rushing forward to reach a deadline which is nothing more by now
> than a dead line, and in our hurry seem to accept that the process loses
> inclusiveness, transparency and accountability, leaving us with an outcome
> that will be of much lower quality.
> I for one, find this unacceptable.
> Best regards,
> Roelof A. Meijer
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> On 08-04-15 14:15, "Dr Eberhard Lisse" <el at lisse.NA> wrote:
> >Thank you very much.
> >
> >so next week 3 calls (Tuesday, Thursday, Friday, the latter of which
> >I could not make even if I wanted to (see below))?
> >
> >The following week another three (Monday, and 2 on Tuesday)?
> >
> >
> >More than one call per week is already difficult enough to absorb,
> >but three?  And then two on one day?  When we are already spending
> >too much time on process and very little on substance?
> >
> >
> >This is not conducive to thoughtful deliberation and as I have said
> >numerous times I am opposed to rushing things through just because
> >of a perceived deadline, which in our case does not even exist in
> >reality.
> >
> >       I object to this.
> >
> >
> >And while we are at it, I have asked NUMEROUS times to have the
> >legal foundation of the USG's claim to the root and/or the IANA
> >function researched by our legal advisers.  I was told it would be
> >done, but it has not from what I can see and my repeated requests in
> >this regards have been ignored by the Co-Chairs.
> >
> >
> >I have made several requests/suggestions in how to deal with the
> >GAO, which the Co-Chairs do not agree with.  Be that as it may, I
> >reserve the rights to communicate my thoughts to the GAO as they
> >have explicitly requested/suggested.
> >
> >
> >I have extremely serious concerns about at least the passage of the
> >German collaborative white paper (or whatever it is called), which
> >as far as ccTLDs are concerned is totally our of order and
> >unacceptable, in as much it suggests that ccTLD/ccNSO policy being
> >taken over by governments (which as we all know is opposed to the
> >USG's stated intent.
> >
> >The GAC Representative of Denmark has proposed in Istanbul during
> >the ad-hoc Stress Test Breakfast, what I understand to be a total
> >removal of ccNSO's policy making powers, in favor of governments
> >deciding.  Using the words "Out with the Old" he stated that the
> >RFCs must be done away with.  I am not clear whether this is the
> >position of the Representative, his government or the GAC, but when
> >read together with the above, this is not acceptable to me.
> >
> >I have not that many concerns with regards to Delegation of a ccTLD
> >(after establishment), including a Transfer of an exsiting ccTLD.
> >
> >But as far as Revocation of an incumbent ccTLD Manager is concerned,
> >I have stated numerous times, that we need to preserve the existing
> >rights of incumbent ccTLD Managers.
> >
> >This is NOT negotiable.
> >
> >And the best way of doing this is by way of the Framework of
> >Interpretation Principles.
> >
> >
> >Mr Chehade has apparently in public (and on the record) accused
> >senior ccTLD managers of not knowing how the IANA functions work.
> >As a ccTLD Manager with 24 years uninterrupted service I tend to
> >agree that I do not know how the IANA function is operated by the
> >current Function Manager (ICANN), though I do have a really good
> >idea how it SHOULD be operated.
> >
> >Therefor I have requested that Mr Chehade explain to us how this
> >works.  I can not find any feedback on this issue.
> >
> >
> >Unless these issues are addressed to my satisfaction (and I am not
> >saying that they must be resolved necessarily to my satisfaction) I
> >shall, as a ccNSO appointed member, be formally objecting to any
> >output of the CCWG-Accountability.
> >
> >I am circulating this to the usual ccTLD lists as well.
> >
> >
> >greetings, el
> >
> >On 2015-04-08 12:10, Brenda Brewer wrote:
> >> Hi Eberhard,
> >>
> >> Please see attachment in pdf format.
> >>
> >> Best,
> >> Brenda
> >[...]
> >
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