[CCWG-ACCT] Notes-Recordings-Transcript links for CCWG ACCT Session #22 14 April
Brenda Brewer
brenda.brewer at icann.org
Tue Apr 14 18:41:32 UTC 2015
Dear all,
The notes, recordings and transcripts for the CCWG ACCT Session #22 call on 14 April will be
available here: https://community.icann.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=52895728
These high-level notes are designed to help you navigate through content of the call and do not
substitute in any way the transcript.
Notes
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2. We will focus on easiest to explain, understand and implement
Have analyzed mechanisms and powers - California law has powerful tools 9
Under CA law and under contract law there are powerful tools to achieve
the mechanisms the CCWG is seeking.
Clearest path is to org an membership body made up of the same groups as
currently elect directors.
Under a designator model, also ached much of this. But membership also
gives powers to review and approve certain board decisions.
Under corporate law the community has rights and these are based around
the concept of a corporate purpose. The purpose is tested in the articles
and further defined in the bylaws. And the community will have the power
to hold the Broad to that corporate purpose. Including the word to remove
the board. Power to amend bylaws. Also the approval and rejection right
is also powerful (what CCWG has been calling veto rights), and these are
the powers that membership gives over the designator approach
We believe ICANN as a member org is the path to the powers the CCWG seeks.
The duty of care to the organization. Directors should apply their own
judgment to what is best for the organization. They are also required to
bring with them knowledge of the community that elected them.
Member structure:
The SO/AC who elect director would become members. The directors retain
fiduciary responsibilities, but the community has powers to greater direct
the board.
Members: primary role to select and remove the board. Classify the
membership. Each class would choose internally who it wants to put on
the Board, these rights are heavily protected. There are some downsides in
that the protect members have a right to sue and can be disruptive.
Suggest in this case that the members be a incorporated entity. Take the
SO and AC and form as an unincorporated association. And this is a low
standard give the already exciting organization of the SO/AC. The current
internal body would become and separate legal entity.
The stature allows for reserve powers, and the powers CCWG seeking can
largely be delivered, so long as the Board's powers overly reduced.
Question about the NomCom role. Could be a member, or be eliminated and
have its work given to other new
One class of members to vote on another class of members' directed. This
could be worked around through contracts which would allow the classes of
members to work together.
Members can unilaterally amend bylaws. The Board can also amend bylaws,
or the right take-away. Members can veto changes. Can require actions to
be approved. Members have the right to sue, if assets were not used for
the purpose for which the corporation is organized (the corporate purpose)
Member advantage: key is to amend the bylaws, to approve or veto board
actions and the standing to sue. However designators still viable.
Notion of a two-tier board structure. It is not the same as the European
supervisory board. A larger community board and executive board. The
community board has oversight over the executive and designates authority
to the executive board. The large community board has power to interfere
and overrule the executive board.
Need to change the bylaws to classify voting rights. Procedure to allow
the community to amend the bylaws and adding the community provisions such
as reserve powers and independent review process. Outside the bylaws
provisions need to provisions to allow removal rights. Believe can be
done without radically changing the familiar structures of SO/AC
Desired powers. Based on WP1. Which work for members and which for
designators. Both can remove individual directors. Both can approve or
change the bylaws and protect fundamental bylaws.
To block board actions that conflict with the bylaws and mission: members
can do this, much harder for the designators.
The powers reserved to the community under a member organized ICANN are
stronger than under designator organized
Block strategic plan or budget, members have the powers, for designators
unlikely or problematic
Principles of contract law.
Community veto power of certain board decisions. To the extent that it
applies to specific board decisions, the member approach will have more
influence. Rights can be reserved for members, but not for designators.
Q. creating legal entities of the SO/AC can this open them up for legal
action. If the GNSO makes policy recommendations, could it later be sued
for those recommendations. Concern when he ccNSO was created that joining
a member organization would reduce the ccTLD managers individual rights.
Can we get what we want, without all the restructure. Can the powers be
given through the powers in the bylaws?
A. The trade off between the member and designator structure is how much
power. Can have all of the power, except the veto power over certain
board decisions under the designator structure. Are they needed if you
have other strong powers, such as removing the board or control over
bylaws.
Concept of legal viability. In the ICANN bylaws provides that groups has
the right to name people to the board. What is legally viable, the lawyer
answer may be to provide a mechanism to force the board to do what you
want it to do. Many of the things wanted can be put in the bylaws, but if
the board ignored it, then the question is there any way to change that.
Q. 1. is it feasible to have an independent standing panel that would be
bind to the board, i.e. the independent review panel
2. can we call the board to action when they are not taking action
A. under the member model, a lot of flexibility in how to give veto and
approval rights. Need greater level of research to know.
A. the concept f being able to force the board to do something, under both
there is an option to remove an individual or entire board. But to force
the board to do something, that's where the members structure is much
stronger. Forcing the board to do things, by amending the bylaws, or by
the members taking on an action and doing it are possible.
Yes, the NomCom can be constituted as a member, and perform its current
functions.
The only way for one class members to remove the directors appointed by
another class of member would be through some contractual relationship and
removal of the entire board.
SO/AC are created by the ICANN bylaws, and the bylaws controls what they
can and cannot do. Is this retained as separate bodies?
Current vision for this, the unincorporated association. Brief articles
of association, would cross reference out of the articles to refer to
existing ICANN documents, no need for governing documents as they already
exist. So the SO.AC retain their current persona.
The designator model can be made to work. But the clarity around roles,
is simpler under the member model. Designator path is considered more
complicated.
How does a govt representative fit into this structure.
Govt currently has the GAC and the selects non-voting observer to the
board.
Can a govt representative be considered as a member? They way seen under
the member or designator structure, did not see the GAC having a voting
members. NomCom would continue to function and to provide some diversity
etc to the board.
Spring board action in cases of inaction. A mechanism to cause the board
to take action. There coercive power exists in the selection and removal
of directors.
Can formalize the process to call for a meeting of community
representatives and the board to express concerns. Forcing the board to
act is hard because they are fiduciary and they have to have the right to
take decisions.
Which can be done under the current arrangements? Slide 20. Currently,
it closely represents a designator model. Desired powers: SO/AC if
considered designators will have approval rights over certain articles or
bylaws, and can recall the whole board, cannot block board action such as
the adoption of budget or strategic plan.
1. Note: TLG no longer appoints to ICANN board
2. Nuance. Bylaws can be put in place that allows the community, using
whatever mechanisms it wishes, to veto the budget, strategic plan, etc.
The Board could ignore that veto and if they did, the next power could be
to remove the board.
3. Problems with membership based organization and current structure of
the NomCom and particularly GAC advice and how it is treated under the
bylaws.
Need to also address WP2 issues, and reviewing the IRP and how this can
fit in the recommendations will be the subject of legal sub-team call
(Wednesday, 15 April. 15:00-17:00 UTC)
Yes we can have all the options, but some trade-off for a solution that
might be easier to implement. The requirements were not unrealistic.
3. CCWG Workplan and timeline
Not wishing to lose momentum, but recognizing the concerns about the high
workload and heavy document load. The report, the first administrative
parts of the report document is largely complete. See solid progress
from WP1 and WP2. And feel the group has achieved a great deal. To pull
the parts together to a cohesive document
Eberhard Lisse: disagree with the approach being taken, we need more time
to discuss.
Short term work time. Our charter in the context of the transition, and
deliver in a time frame consistent with the CWG as we are supporting some
of their proposals. We expect it hear more from CWG on their requirements
after their 2 day intense work session of Monday/Tuesday this week. And we
need our proposal to be available for ICANN #53 and consideration by the
SO/AC, Our Istanbul target was for public comment launch on April 21. We
want members to be able to comment on the proposals. We need assurance on
legal feasibility, and we have good progress and issues for legal group to
investigate
Way forward. 1. focus, and suggestions on list we might do that on the
CWG needs, as they respond after their intense work days.
Adjust our approach: 3 step approach: 1. this week focus on WP so they
complete proposals by the end of the week. 2. To turn around a 20-25 page
draft report over the weekend and 3 day freeze Monday-Wednesday so the
group can consider. 3. a 2 day intense work period based on the CWG
model, Thursday/ Friday next week
Revised call schedule. Cancel the CCWG calls of Thursday Apr 16, Friday
Apr 17 (set Friday as target for the draft report to be circulated) and
cancel the additional meetings of Monday Apr 20 and Tuesday 21st. Keep
the regular Tuesday Apr 21 CCWG 19:00 UTC. Consider CWG comments and
follow-up on legal advice). Intensive April 23/24 work period as inspired
by the CWG process of meetings. And finalize the proposals - we are
extending the time line.
Cover the CWG requirements as a priority.
No face-to-face May meeting, but June 19 in Buenos Aires.
Request the spread the meeting times for the intense meetings across the
timezones (Agreed, will be amended)
Outcome of WP1. Aware WP1 may present options, and public comment can be
used to provide feedback on issues. Legal advice affecting WP2
recommendations.
Agreement to cancel the schedule and introduce the new meeting times
(revised for timezones)
Discussion of stress test 18 to next meeting.
Summary report, and plan for intense work days next week.
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