[CCWG-ACCT] Further Objection to the Methodology

Carlos Raúl G. crg at isoc-cr.org
Wed Apr 15 13:35:46 UTC 2015


+1

Carlos Raúl Gutiérrez
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> El abr 15, 2015, a las 8:29, Drazek, Keith <kdrazek at verisign.com> escribió:
> 
> Dear Eberhard, Akinbo and Sean,
> 
> While I agree this issue requires deliberate treatment, I have a few questions in response to points raised in this thread.
> 
> Why couldn't a subset of ccTLD members (those who have joined the ccNSO) collaborate to make the ccNSO a statutory member of ICANN? We're not talking about every registry (gTLD or ccTLD) or individual person who participates in ICANN becoming a direct member. 
> 
> That some ccTLDs choose to not join the ccNSO shouldn't prevent those who have joined from cooperating to give the ccNSO greater oversight of ICANN's Board and staff. Or am I missing something? Please help me understand the specific ccTLD concern in this context. 
> 
> If we're designing an accountability framework for ICANN and its community, how can we be expected to accommodate and incorporate the interests of self-determined outsiders other than to invite them to join the community and participate in its processes? In my view, anyone with interests impacted by ICANN should get involved and not sit outside looking in.
> 
> Also, Eberhard, I'm not clear on why the legal foundation for the USG's claim on the IANA functions/root is relevant to the discussion of ICANN's accountability to the community, which is the focus of this group. Perhaps that is a topic more relevant to the work of the CWG Transition? Again, I may be missing something and would welcome the dots being connected. 
> 
> Regards,
> Keith
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Apr 15, 2015, at 2:12 PM, Adebunmi AKINBO <akinbo.adebunmi at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> +1 Lisse, Otieno.
>> -Akinbo.
>> 
>>> On Wed, Apr 15, 2015 at 10:22 AM, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> I am in agreement with Dr. Lisse,i think the issues he raises are of
>>> fundamental importance and should be looked at in detail as we move
>>> forwad. It  is better to get it right than as opposed to just focusing
>>> on a deliverable.
>>> 
>>> Regards
>>> 
>>> On 4/15/15, Dr Eberhard W Lisse <el at lisse.na> wrote:
>>> > Dear Co-Chairs Thomas and Matheiu,
>>> >
>>> > Can you please explain to you Co-Chair that the very point was that
>>> > I need time to study the document and that I objected and still
>>> > object against dealing with this in a cursory manner.
>>> >
>>> > However, since he asked, I'll write under correction, that I don't
>>> > think ccTLDs can be (in) a member organization unless all 253 bind
>>> > themselves to this.
>>> >
>>> > I have asked NUMEROUS times, to no avail, that we find out what the
>>> > legal foundation of the USG's claim to the root/IANA function is.
>>> > And we need to establish how this relates to each ccTLD. We may not
>>> > be able to do this for all 253 (or how many they are) but there are
>>> > a few broad categories we can classify them in.
>>> >
>>> > For example (and just off the cuff and decidedly incomplete)
>>> >
>>> > Before RFC1951 (1994)
>>> > before ICANN
>>> > During ICANN
>>> > IDN ccTLDs
>>> >
>>> > But, again, I object to being put under pressure of dealing with a
>>> > complex matter and document in a superficial manner.
>>> >
>>> > greetings, el
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On 2015-04-15 04:16 , León Felipe Sánchez Ambía wrote:
>>> >> Dear Eberhard,
>>> >>
>>> >> Thanks for your comments.
>>> >>
>>> >> Which content issues did you identify in the document?  I will be
>>> >> happy to discuss and take back to the legal sub-team and the
>>> >> lawyers.
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> Best regards,
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> León
>>> >>
>>> >>> El 14/04/2015, a las 7:42, Dr Eberhard Lisse <el at lisse.NA> escribió:
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Dear Co-Charis,
>>> >>>
>>> >>> this is not directed against an individual or a group of individuals
>>> >>> (inside the CCWG).
>>> >>>
>>> >>> I can not participate in a meaningful deliberation on this unless I
>>> >>> have time to properly review this document, not just being fed a
>>> >>> large number of busy slides.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Never mind "decision".
>>> >>>
>>> >>> There are some content issues (for example with regards to
>>> >>> membership as far as ccTLDs are concerned) which flashed by.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> This the wrong way of dealing with this, and I renew my objection for
>>> >>> the record.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> el
>>> >>>
>>> >>> On 2015-04-14 13:29, León Felipe Sánchez Ambía wrote:
>>> >>>> Dear Eberhard,
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> The slides were sent to everyone as soon as we got them.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> I remind you that no substantial decision is made on any single
>>> >>>> call so you don’t have to worry on having to decide on anything
>>> >>>> on this call.  We make second readings on substantial issues.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Best regards,
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> León
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>> El 14/04/2015, a las 7:25, Dr Eberhard Lisse <el at lisse.NA>
>>> >>>>> escribió:
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Dear Co-Chairs,
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Why have the slides of the law firm not been sent to us early
>>> >>>>> enough to consider them, prior to being presented and discussed?
>>> >>>>> Never mind decision making.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> I object to this.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> el
>>> >>>>> --
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