[CCWG-ACCT] Further Objection to the Methodology
Seun Ojedeji
seun.ojedeji at gmail.com
Wed Apr 15 15:20:54 UTC 2015
Hi Drazak,
As it concerns naming; I don't run any registry neither am i employed by
any organisation in that line (including cctld) except being a registrant
on both TLD categories plus also being an internet user. I rely a lot on
things that are factually documented/proven, hence i make effort to ask for
references and also ask questions that could help me understand why some
have certain view. I wholeheartedly share your line of thought and i would
appreciate if this helps improve the way we individually approach issues in
this WG.
Regards
On Wed, Apr 15, 2015 at 2:29 PM, Drazek, Keith <kdrazek at verisign.com> wrote:
> Dear Eberhard, Akinbo and Sean,
>
> While I agree this issue requires deliberate treatment, I have a few
> questions in response to points raised in this thread.
>
> Why couldn't a subset of ccTLD members (those who have joined the ccNSO)
> collaborate to make the ccNSO a statutory member of ICANN? We're not
> talking about every registry (gTLD or ccTLD) or individual person who
> participates in ICANN becoming a direct member.
>
> That some ccTLDs choose to not join the ccNSO shouldn't prevent those
> who have joined from cooperating to give the ccNSO greater oversight of
> ICANN's Board and staff. Or am I missing something? Please help me
> understand the specific ccTLD concern in this context.
>
> If we're designing an accountability framework for ICANN and its
> community, how can we be expected to accommodate and incorporate the
> interests of self-determined outsiders other than to invite them to join
> the community and participate in its processes? In my view, anyone with
> interests impacted by ICANN should get involved and not sit outside looking
> in.
>
> Also, Eberhard, I'm not clear on why the legal foundation for the USG's
> claim on the IANA functions/root is relevant to the discussion of ICANN's accountability
> to the community, which is the focus of this group. Perhaps that is a topic
> more relevant to the work of the CWG Transition? Again, I may be missing
> something and would welcome the dots being connected.
>
> Regards,
> Keith
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Apr 15, 2015, at 2:12 PM, Adebunmi AKINBO <akinbo.adebunmi at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> +1 Lisse, Otieno.
> -Akinbo.
>
> On Wed, Apr 15, 2015 at 10:22 AM, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack at gmail.com
> > wrote:
>
>> I am in agreement with Dr. Lisse,i think the issues he raises are of
>> fundamental importance and should be looked at in detail as we move
>> forwad. It is better to get it right than as opposed to just focusing
>> on a deliverable.
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> On 4/15/15, Dr Eberhard W Lisse <el at lisse.na> wrote:
>> > Dear Co-Chairs Thomas and Matheiu,
>> >
>> > Can you please explain to you Co-Chair that the very point was that
>> > I need time to study the document and that I objected and still
>> > object against dealing with this in a cursory manner.
>> >
>> > However, since he asked, I'll write under correction, that I don't
>> > think ccTLDs can be (in) a member organization unless all 253 bind
>> > themselves to this.
>> >
>> > I have asked NUMEROUS times, to no avail, that we find out what the
>> > legal foundation of the USG's claim to the root/IANA function is.
>> > And we need to establish how this relates to each ccTLD. We may not
>> > be able to do this for all 253 (or how many they are) but there are
>> > a few broad categories we can classify them in.
>> >
>> > For example (and just off the cuff and decidedly incomplete)
>> >
>> > Before RFC1951 (1994)
>> > before ICANN
>> > During ICANN
>> > IDN ccTLDs
>> >
>> > But, again, I object to being put under pressure of dealing with a
>> > complex matter and document in a superficial manner.
>> >
>> > greetings, el
>> >
>> >
>> > On 2015-04-15 04:16 , León Felipe Sánchez Ambía wrote:
>> >> Dear Eberhard,
>> >>
>> >> Thanks for your comments.
>> >>
>> >> Which content issues did you identify in the document? I will be
>> >> happy to discuss and take back to the legal sub-team and the
>> >> lawyers.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Best regards,
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> León
>> >>
>> >>> El 14/04/2015, a las 7:42, Dr Eberhard Lisse <el at lisse.NA> escribió:
>> >>>
>> >>> Dear Co-Charis,
>> >>>
>> >>> this is not directed against an individual or a group of individuals
>> >>> (inside the CCWG).
>> >>>
>> >>> I can not participate in a meaningful deliberation on this unless I
>> >>> have time to properly review this document, not just being fed a
>> >>> large number of busy slides.
>> >>>
>> >>> Never mind "decision".
>> >>>
>> >>> There are some content issues (for example with regards to
>> >>> membership as far as ccTLDs are concerned) which flashed by.
>> >>>
>> >>> This the wrong way of dealing with this, and I renew my objection for
>> >>> the record.
>> >>>
>> >>> el
>> >>>
>> >>> On 2015-04-14 13:29, León Felipe Sánchez Ambía wrote:
>> >>>> Dear Eberhard,
>> >>>>
>> >>>> The slides were sent to everyone as soon as we got them.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I remind you that no substantial decision is made on any single
>> >>>> call so you don’t have to worry on having to decide on anything
>> >>>> on this call. We make second readings on substantial issues.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Best regards,
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> León
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> El 14/04/2015, a las 7:25, Dr Eberhard Lisse <el at lisse.NA>
>> >>>>> escribió:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Dear Co-Chairs,
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Why have the slides of the law firm not been sent to us early
>> >>>>> enough to consider them, prior to being presented and discussed?
>> >>>>> Never mind decision making.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> I object to this.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> el
>> >>>>> --
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>> (Saar)
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