[CCWG-ACCT] Objection (Re: [Acct-Legal] Nomcom as a UA - legal question)
Avri Doria
avri at acm.org
Sat Apr 25 14:54:09 UTC 2015
Hi,
Just checking, do you object to my question and/or the way it was passed on?
Personally, I appreciate that it was passed on by the chair of team that
passes things on.
Also, I can testify that participating in both CWG & CCWG is not a
matter of having "that kind of money ". I can do it becasue I am mostly
unemployed and have no life.
thanks
avri
On 25-Apr-15 06:11, Dr Eberhard W Lisse wrote:
> I have about have it with the unappointed participant of a vested
> interest making decisions.
>
> Never mind that he just is not entitled to make the ones at hand.
> Under the Charter or in any other way! Technically this triggers
> billable hours, so even formally it may not withstand an audit.
>
> Yes, read it s objection, for the record.
>
> I repeat my demand for the question whether the USG has in fact a base
> for its "claim" (for the lack of a better word) to the root, and the
> consequences thereof (if it does not, we have an idea what this means
> already, if does, may it transfer it (an asset (of sorts)) in the
> manner proposed, and how does all of this affect (cc)TLDs (when
> looking at this in chronological batches).
>
> The absolute only reason I can see to ignore or avoid the question, is
> knowing or being concerned about the answer, but not having this done
> creates an accountability issue in itself.
>
>
> I do note, by the way, at last reading of my email the deafening
> silence about the conflict between the IPC lobbyist's statement about
> what he alleged as to have said in the Legal SubTeam meeting of
> 2015-04-08 and the transcript of what he actually did say.
>
> I have no issues with anyone representing anyone's interests and even
> as aggressively and flouting rules as Americans businesses are so
> admired for all over the world, by the way. If I had that kind of
> money I'd also get me one of these onto both CWG and CCWG and
> influence the outcome.
>
> Whatever it takes...
>
> el
> --
> Sent from Dr Lisse's iPad mini
>
> On Apr 25, 2015, at 03:50, List for the work of CCWG-Accountability
> Legal SubTeam <ccwg-accountability5 at icann.org
> <mailto:ccwg-accountability5 at icann.org>> wrote:
>
>> Holly,
>>
>> Yes, please proceed to answer the questions posed in Avri's email.
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Greg
>>
>> On Friday, April 24, 2015, List for the work of CCWG-Accountability
>> Legal SubTeam <ccwg-accountability5 at icann.org
>> <mailto:ccwg-accountability5 at icann.org>> wrote:
>>
>> Thanks Greg. I take it that the Legal SubTeam would like us to
>> add this to the list of questions we are answering. Holly
>>
>>
>>
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>> *Subject:* Re: [Acct-Legal] [CCWG-ACCT] Nomcom as a UA - legal
>> question
>>
>> Avri,
>>
>> I am forwarding your question to the Legal Sub Team list.
>>
>> Greg
>>
>> On Fri, Apr 24, 2015 at 6:51 PM, Avri Doria <avri at acm.org
>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','avri at acm.org');>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I am confused as to how this works. Please forgive my
>> questions. This has less to do with the proposal I made then
>> with trying to understand the nature of a UA. I had not
>> realized until yesterday that the membership model was as
>> popular as it has been defined to be. I had also not
>> realized that we were down to membership or designator model
>> as our only choices until today.
>>
>> What qualifies the Nomcom as an association? It can't be the
>> people, as there is no continuity, except among the staff.
>> and some overlap in chairs as last year's chair, this years'
>> chair and next year's possible chair, sit togehter each
>> year. I guess that is a bit of natural person continuity.
>> Is that chair thread significant?
>>
>> Or is that it is always formed according to same bylaw, even
>> if all of the people are different, that is a qualifying
>> mark? Is being a differnt instantiation of the same process
>> sufficient to define a UA, even if there is no continuity of
>> natural persons?
>>
>>
>> thanks
>>
>>
>> avrl
>>
>> Note: I would have sent this to the legal list, but i never
>> managed to get subscribed that one as far as I can tell.
>>
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