[CCWG-ACCT] Issues with Providing Public Comments on CCWG-Accountability Proposal
Nigel Roberts
nigel at channelisles.net
Thu Dec 3 16:24:40 UTC 2015
Edward: in my view, your comment was unworthy. I expect it was expressed
that way carelessly and accidentally, rather than otherwise.
Kavouss: As a British-English speaking person, I would certainly read
the comment in much the same way you did. In my native language variant
of English "I don't know how you do things in your country but . . " is
a pretty nasty thing for someone to say (under the patina of
politeness). But I take it as having been unintentional.
I understand how Edward's comment came across as an attack on your
country. It's unfortunate that this was the result of an aside about as
small a thing as a default answer or a survey.
"Democracy" is a subjective thing. It depends where you are looking at
it from. (The United States to me, viewed through the lens of
comparative sociology no longer, strictly, looks entirely like a
democracy, more like a corporatist system of government).
(But if democracy is subjectve, fundamental rights are objective. And
this is why ICANN needs a binding obligation in that regard as a
prerequiste for full privatisation).
> On Thu, Dec 3, 2015 at 8:47 AM, Edward Morris <egmorris1 at toast.net
> <mailto:egmorris1 at toast.net>> wrote:
>
> Kavouss,
> I had no intention of slighting your country. I have great respect
> for the people and culture of Persia, one of the world's great
> civilisations. Ms. Gross comment was simply a critique of survey
> design. It had nothing to do with any so called "anti GAC" sentiment
> and your initial post itself was personally critical of "few
> persons" and certainly Ms. Gross herself. I honestly do not know how
> elections are conducted in your fine country, and although I
> certainly would not have phrased things as I did had I known you
> would take offence, I could not fathom how anyone could object to
> Ms. Gross attempt to correct a ballot malapropos that she
> believes defaults to a certain answer. I assumed your objection was
> cultural in nature. My apologies to you if it were not.
> As to your response, which referenced the murder of innocent people
> in criticising other countries, As I sit here in Paris working to
> prepare for concerts this weekend following the recent tragedy in
> this city, hopeful my body will not be riddled with bullet holes
> by Tuesday as industry colleagues of mine recently were, I take deep
> offence. I have sent an inquiry to His Excellency Javad Kachoueian,
> Ambassador of Iran to my country of Ireland, referencing your post
> and asking whether that is an argumentative technique approved of by
> his government. Iff any response is received, I shall share it with
> you off-list.
> I commend you, Kavouss, on your exceptional contributions to the
> CCWG over the past year. I look forward to working with you on
> substantive matters going forward and, again, apologies for any
> personal slight you felt as as result of my post. That certainly
> was not my intent.
> Cordially,
> Edward Morris
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From*: "Kavouss Arasteh" <kavouss.arasteh at gmail.com
> <mailto:kavouss.arasteh at gmail.com>>
> *Sent*: Thursday, December 3, 2015 12:00 PM
> *To*: "el at lisse.NA" <el at lisse.NA>
> *Cc*: "directors at omadhina.net <mailto:directors at omadhina.net>"
> <directors at omadhina.net <mailto:directors at omadhina.net>>,
> "accountability-cross-community at icann.org
> <mailto:accountability-cross-community at icann.org>"
> <accountability-cross-community at icann.org
> <mailto:accountability-cross-community at icann.org>>
> *Subject*: Re: [CCWG-ACCT] Issues with Providing Public Comments on
> CCWG-Accountability Proposal
> Dear Sir,
> I strongly object to your comments inappropriately referring to my
> country which I am proud of it.Mire strongly I categorically reject
> your illusion to "democratic ".
> If democratic country is the one that very often the people open
> fire to innocent people then I am happy that those thing never
> happened in my country.
> Moreover, we are dealing with issues in personal capacity without
> representing a given country. I do not understand your anti Iranian
> feelings.
> I respect all countries and their people .
> Pls refrain to refer to any country in CCWG process as we do not
> represent a country but a community.
> Sir, you de passed the limit if politeness, code of conduct and all
> international standards.
> I invite you to calm down, observe ICANN code of conducts Courtesy,
> friendship, and respect others .
> This us the last time that tolerate and if you and any other CCWG
> MEMBERS refer to my country then you will see the consequence of
> such inappropriate reference.
> Mr. Arasteh
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On 3 Dec 2015, at 09:07, Dr Eberhard W Lisse <el at lisse.NA> wrote:
> >
> > My, My, My, are we getting testy.
> >
> > I thought Sadowsky's resentment was predetermined, but it seems the heat
> > is turning up.
> >
> > el
> >
> >
> >> On 2015-12-03 10:01, Edward Morris wrote:
> >> Hi Kavrous,
> >>
> >> I don't know how you do things in Iran, but in the democratic countries
> >> I've lived in we try to avoid ballots that default to predetermined
> >> choices. That whole integrity of the ballot thing.
> >>
> >> Thanks, Robin, for identifying and pointing out this software flaw.
> >> Hopefully it is something staff and / or our fine leadership team will
> >> be able to address in short order.
> >>
> >> Best,
> >>
> >> Ed Morris
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Dec 3, 2015, at 7:56 AM, Kavouss Arasteh <kavouss.arasteh at gmail.com <mailto:kavouss.arasteh at gmail.com>
> >> <mailto:kavouss.arasteh at gmail.com <mailto:kavouss.arasteh at gmail.com>>> wrote:
> >>
> >>> It is strange that the same person always comments on ST18.
> >>> There is an anti GAC sentiments in few persons members if CCWG
> >>> It is a pity to gave such reactions
> >>> Regards
> >>> Kavoysd
> >>>
> >>> Sent from my iPhone
> > [...]
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