[CCWG-ACCT] There's no suitable topic for this one

Thu Dec 3 17:03:37 UTC 2015

I am starting to be ashamed to be part of this group
Off line bilateral apologies would indicate presence of intellect, civility, ability to respect and feelings

Roelof

From: <accountability-cross-community-bounces at icann.org<mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces at icann.org>> on behalf of Edward Morris <egmorris1 at toast.net<mailto:egmorris1 at toast.net>>
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Date: donderdag 3 december 2015 14:47
To: Kavouss Arasteh <kavouss.arasteh at gmail.com<mailto:kavouss.arasteh at gmail.com>>, Eberhard Lisse <el at lisse.na<mailto:el at lisse.na>>
Cc: "directors at omadhina.net<mailto:directors at omadhina.net>" <directors at omadhina.net<mailto:directors at omadhina.net>>, "accountability-cross-community at icann.org<mailto:accountability-cross-community at icann.org>" <accountability-cross-community at icann.org<mailto:accountability-cross-community at icann.org>>
Subject: Re: [CCWG-ACCT] Issues with Providing Public Comments on CCWG-Accountability Proposal

Kavouss,

I had no intention of slighting your country. I have great respect for the people and culture of Persia, one of the world's great civilisations. Ms. Gross comment was simply a critique of survey design. It had nothing to do with any so called "anti GAC" sentiment and your initial post itself was personally critical of "few persons" and certainly Ms. Gross herself. I honestly do not know how elections are conducted in your fine country, and although I certainly would not have phrased things as I did had I known you would take offence, I could not fathom how anyone could object to Ms. Gross attempt to correct a ballot malapropos that she believes defaults to a certain answer. I assumed your objection was cultural in nature. My apologies to you if it were not.

As to your response, which referenced the murder of innocent people in criticising other countries, As I sit here in Paris working to prepare for concerts this weekend following the recent tragedy in this city, hopeful my body will not be riddled with bullet holes by Tuesday as industry colleagues of mine recently were, I take deep offence. I have sent an inquiry to  His Excellency Javad Kachoueian, Ambassador of Iran to my country of Ireland, referencing your post and asking whether that is an argumentative technique approved of by his government. Iff any response is received, I shall share it with you off-list.

I commend you, Kavouss, on your exceptional contributions to the CCWG over the past year. I look forward to working with you on substantive matters going forward and, again, apologies for any personal slight you felt as as  result of my post.  That certainly was not my intent.

Cordially,

Edward Morris

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From: "Kavouss Arasteh" <kavouss.arasteh at gmail.com<mailto:kavouss.arasteh at gmail.com>>
Sent: Thursday, December 3, 2015 12:00 PM
To: "el at lisse.NA<mailto:el at lisse.NA>" <el at lisse.NA<mailto:el at lisse.NA>>
Cc: "directors at omadhina.net<mailto:directors at omadhina.net>" <directors at omadhina.net<mailto:directors at omadhina.net>>, "accountability-cross-community at icann.org<mailto:accountability-cross-community at icann.org>" <accountability-cross-community at icann.org<mailto:accountability-cross-community at icann.org>>
Subject: Re: [CCWG-ACCT] Issues with Providing Public Comments on CCWG-Accountability Proposal

Dear Sir,
I strongly object to your comments inappropriately referring to my country which I am proud of it.Mire strongly I categorically reject your illusion to "democratic ".
If democratic country is the one that very often the people open fire to innocent people then I am happy that those thing never happened in my country.
Moreover, we are dealing with issues in personal capacity without representing a given country. I do not understand your anti Iranian feelings.
I respect all countries and their people .
Pls refrain to refer to any country in CCWG process as we do not represent a country but a community.
Sir, you de passed the limit if politeness, code of conduct and all international standards.
I invite you to calm down, observe ICANN code of conducts Courtesy, friendship, and respect others .
This us the last time that tolerate and if you and any other CCWG MEMBERS refer to my country then you will see the consequence of such inappropriate reference.
Mr. Arasteh

Sent from my iPhone

> On 3 Dec 2015, at 09:07, Dr Eberhard W Lisse <el at lisse.NA<mailto:el at lisse.NA>> wrote:
>
> My, My, My, are we getting testy.
>
> I thought Sadowsky's resentment was predetermined, but it seems the heat
> is turning up.
>
> el
>
>
>> On 2015-12-03 10:01, Edward Morris wrote:
>> Hi Kavrous,
>>
>> I don't know how you do things in Iran, but in the democratic countries
>> I've lived in we try to avoid ballots that default to predetermined
>> choices. That whole integrity of the ballot thing.
>>
>> Thanks, Robin, for identifying and pointing out this software flaw.
>> Hopefully it is something staff and / or our fine leadership team will
>> be able to address in short order.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Ed Morris
>>
>>
>>
>> On Dec 3, 2015, at 7:56 AM, Kavouss Arasteh <kavouss.arasteh at gmail.com<mailto:kavouss.arasteh at gmail.com>
>> <mailto:kavouss.arasteh at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>>> It is strange that the same person always comments on ST18.
>>> There is an anti GAC sentiments in few persons members if CCWG
>>> It is a pity to gave such reactions
>>> Regards
>>> Kavoysd
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
> [...]
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