[CCWG-ACCT] Issues with Providing Public Comments on CCWG-Accountability Proposal
Kavouss Arasteh
kavouss.arasteh at gmail.com
Thu Dec 3 18:09:19 UTC 2015
Dear Nigel
Thank you very much for your through analysis of the situation.
What made me angry was that we as individual expert/ participants to CCWG representing our own or our community and NOT a given country.
Thus we should not escalate that to political representatives of any country.
We could dispute among ourselves without involving our courtesy of origin.
Edward was took it differently than it should be,
However, he sent me a nice and reconciliatory message which I welcomed it and considered the natter us closed and asked him to withdraw the letter he sent to embassy of my country in Ireland and let technical discussion to renain between technical people
Regards
Kavouss
Sent from my iPhone
> On 3 Dec 2015, at 17:24, Nigel Roberts <nigel at channelisles.net> wrote:
>
> Edward: in my view, your comment was unworthy. I expect it was expressed that way carelessly and accidentally, rather than otherwise.
>
> Kavouss: As a British-English speaking person, I would certainly read the comment in much the same way you did. In my native language variant of English "I don't know how you do things in your country but . . " is a pretty nasty thing for someone to say (under the patina of politeness). But I take it as having been unintentional.
>
> I understand how Edward's comment came across as an attack on your country. It's unfortunate that this was the result of an aside about as small a thing as a default answer or a survey.
>
> "Democracy" is a subjective thing. It depends where you are looking at it from. (The United States to me, viewed through the lens of comparative sociology no longer, strictly, looks entirely like a democracy, more like a corporatist system of government).
>
> (But if democracy is subjectve, fundamental rights are objective. And this is why ICANN needs a binding obligation in that regard as a prerequiste for full privatisation).
>
>
>
>
>> On Thu, Dec 3, 2015 at 8:47 AM, Edward Morris <egmorris1 at toast.net
>> <mailto:egmorris1 at toast.net>> wrote:
>>
>> Kavouss,
>> I had no intention of slighting your country. I have great respect
>> for the people and culture of Persia, one of the world's great
>> civilisations. Ms. Gross comment was simply a critique of survey
>> design. It had nothing to do with any so called "anti GAC" sentiment
>> and your initial post itself was personally critical of "few
>> persons" and certainly Ms. Gross herself. I honestly do not know how
>> elections are conducted in your fine country, and although I
>> certainly would not have phrased things as I did had I known you
>> would take offence, I could not fathom how anyone could object to
>> Ms. Gross attempt to correct a ballot malapropos that she
>> believes defaults to a certain answer. I assumed your objection was
>> cultural in nature. My apologies to you if it were not.
>> As to your response, which referenced the murder of innocent people
>> in criticising other countries, As I sit here in Paris working to
>> prepare for concerts this weekend following the recent tragedy in
>> this city, hopeful my body will not be riddled with bullet holes
>> by Tuesday as industry colleagues of mine recently were, I take deep
>> offence. I have sent an inquiry to His Excellency Javad Kachoueian,
>> Ambassador of Iran to my country of Ireland, referencing your post
>> and asking whether that is an argumentative technique approved of by
>> his government. Iff any response is received, I shall share it with
>> you off-list.
>> I commend you, Kavouss, on your exceptional contributions to the
>> CCWG over the past year. I look forward to working with you on
>> substantive matters going forward and, again, apologies for any
>> personal slight you felt as as result of my post. That certainly
>> was not my intent.
>> Cordially,
>> Edward Morris
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> *From*: "Kavouss Arasteh" <kavouss.arasteh at gmail.com
>> <mailto:kavouss.arasteh at gmail.com>>
>> *Sent*: Thursday, December 3, 2015 12:00 PM
>> *To*: "el at lisse.NA" <el at lisse.NA>
>> *Cc*: "directors at omadhina.net <mailto:directors at omadhina.net>"
>> <directors at omadhina.net <mailto:directors at omadhina.net>>,
>> "accountability-cross-community at icann.org
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>> *Subject*: Re: [CCWG-ACCT] Issues with Providing Public Comments on
>> CCWG-Accountability Proposal
>> Dear Sir,
>> I strongly object to your comments inappropriately referring to my
>> country which I am proud of it.Mire strongly I categorically reject
>> your illusion to "democratic ".
>> If democratic country is the one that very often the people open
>> fire to innocent people then I am happy that those thing never
>> happened in my country.
>> Moreover, we are dealing with issues in personal capacity without
>> representing a given country. I do not understand your anti Iranian
>> feelings.
>> I respect all countries and their people .
>> Pls refrain to refer to any country in CCWG process as we do not
>> represent a country but a community.
>> Sir, you de passed the limit if politeness, code of conduct and all
>> international standards.
>> I invite you to calm down, observe ICANN code of conducts Courtesy,
>> friendship, and respect others .
>> This us the last time that tolerate and if you and any other CCWG
>> MEMBERS refer to my country then you will see the consequence of
>> such inappropriate reference.
>> Mr. Arasteh
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> > On 3 Dec 2015, at 09:07, Dr Eberhard W Lisse <el at lisse.NA> wrote:
>> >
>> > My, My, My, are we getting testy.
>> >
>> > I thought Sadowsky's resentment was predetermined, but it seems the heat
>> > is turning up.
>> >
>> > el
>> >
>> >
>> >> On 2015-12-03 10:01, Edward Morris wrote:
>> >> Hi Kavrous,
>> >>
>> >> I don't know how you do things in Iran, but in the democratic countries
>> >> I've lived in we try to avoid ballots that default to predetermined
>> >> choices. That whole integrity of the ballot thing.
>> >>
>> >> Thanks, Robin, for identifying and pointing out this software flaw.
>> >> Hopefully it is something staff and / or our fine leadership team will
>> >> be able to address in short order.
>> >>
>> >> Best,
>> >>
>> >> Ed Morris
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Dec 3, 2015, at 7:56 AM, Kavouss Arasteh <kavouss.arasteh at gmail.com <mailto:kavouss.arasteh at gmail.com>
>> >> <mailto:kavouss.arasteh at gmail.com <mailto:kavouss.arasteh at gmail.com>>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> It is strange that the same person always comments on ST18.
>> >>> There is an anti GAC sentiments in few persons members if CCWG
>> >>> It is a pity to gave such reactions
>> >>> Regards
>> >>> Kavoysd
>> >>>
>> >>> Sent from my iPhone
>> > [...]
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