[CCWG-ACCT] Work plan in January

Kavouss Arasteh kavouss.arasteh at gmail.com
Tue Dec 29 18:56:35 UTC 2015 

Dear All,
Yes ,

we have committed ourselves to getting the work done
Quickly Done , badly done?
and we have a world of people waiting for us to make and end of it.
To witness a correct work agreed by everybody or a work even objected at
the level of CCWG?

 We have been slipping our schedule.  While the reasons for slipping the
schedule may
be legitimate  (not always certain of that) it does not mean we haven't
slipped on promises.

Promisses to whom? there is no deadline but just objectives

 We continue to slip.  I think this commits us to do
our best to just keep putting one foot in front of the other and
continuing to do our best to get the work done.

Yes, we have to go forward but not merely by dobbling the calls' number and
their duration. We need to have a valid Schedule and valid work plan and
review ,and if necessary revise our working method

 That is not done by
taking a leisurely time, but is one the aided by focusing on the work
intensively.

Focusing  on works intensively does not necerssirily means  8 calls each 3
hours in 24 days.without an overall agenda of the works and without working
strategy and work plan

 I still think we should be considering intensive online working weekends.

We have had in the past few 3 hours meeting/calls which was not efficient.
No meeting lasts more than 1,30 mints thus there is a need to break.

 I also think it may be time for the members among us (I am not one) to
do some deciding on the issues where we still do not have full
consensus.

Therte are several areas in which there is not full consensus at this
stage. Moreover, reviewing ICANN Board's comments more divergence were
created..After receiving public comments, situation may get worse.


  For example, if at the end of the intense work period in
January we are still arguing about some details, they should decide on
those issues,

Who should devicides on those issues?

we should document that fact, and move on.we should

Documentsing the divergence and move on what?

We need to understand the golden rule of negotiation,mutual  respect,
mutual understanding and equality of rights
Tks
Kavouss


2015-12-29 19:26 GMT+01:00 Chartier, Mike S <mike.s.chartier at intel.com>:

> Avri,
>    I'm a little confused. What do you mean by "they should decide on those
> issues"?
>
> Mike
>
> > On Dec 29, 2015, at 1:07 PM, Avri Doria <avri at acm.org> wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > I am not into rushing.
> > And certainly not into rushing for rushing sake.
> >
> > But we have committed ourselves to getting the work done and we have a
> > world of people waiting for us to make and end of it. We have been
> > slipping our schedule.  While the reasons for slipping the schedule may
> > be legitimate  (not always certain of that) it does not mean we haven't
> > slipped on promises. We continue to slip.  I think this commits us to do
> > our best to just keep putting one foot in front of the other and
> > continuing to do our best to get the work done.  That is not done by
> > taking a leisurely time, but is one the aided by focusing on the work
> > intensively.
> >
> > I still think we should be considering intensive online working weekends.
> >
> > I also think it may be time for the members among us (I am not one) to
> > do some deciding on the issues where we still do not have full
> > consensus.  For example, if at the end of the intense work period in
> > January we are still arguing about some details, they should decide on
> > those issues, we should document that fact, and move on.
> >
> > avri
> >
> >> On 29-Dec-15 12:15, Kavouss Arasteh wrote:
> >> Yes
> >> Some people rush and rush.
> >> In some of the working party meeting in the past there was about 10
> participant since others could not afford that.
> >> Multiplication if meetings and extension of their duration does not
> always  have good results.
> >> We need good plan,good preparation and advance working document and
> establishment of priorities
> >> Kavousd
> >>
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >>> On 25 Dec 2015, at 01:41, Avri Doria <avri at acm.org> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hi,
> >>>
> >>> I think the intensive schedule is necessary and we will find a way if
> we
> >>> want to have any chance of succeeding with an IANA Transition in 2016.
> >>>
> >>> I also think 3hr meetings are ok.   We might even consider one or more
> >>> of those remote weekends of meetings when they do not interfere with
> >>> people's work.
> >>>
> >>> avri
> >>>
> >>>> On 24-Dec-15 06:58, Kavouss Arasteh wrote:
> >>>> Dear Mathieu
> >>>> Thank you for your suggestion
> >>>> As I told you at various occations, human being mental capacity should
> >>>> not be overloaded.
> >>>> I have participated in many conference calls since years.
> >>>> Any call which lasts more than two hours was totally inefficient
> >>>> Pls then reduce the duration to maximum two hours
> >>>> Regards
> >>>> Kavouss
> >>>>
> >>>> 2015-12-24 12:25 GMT+01:00 James Gannon <james at cyberinvasion.net
> >>>> <mailto:james at cyberinvasion.net>>:
> >>>>
> >>>>   I don’t forsee anyone who is not being compensated for their work
> >>>>   being able to dedicate 6 hours from a working week to this, I
> >>>>   object to rushing things and designing schedules which are
> >>>>   unrealistic IMO.
> >>>>
> >>>>   -Jg
> >>>>
> >>>>   From: <accountability-cross-community-bounces at icann.org
> >>>>   <mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces at icann.org>> on
> >>>>   behalf of Mathieu Weill <mathieu.weill at afnic.fr
> >>>>   <mailto:mathieu.weill at afnic.fr>>
> >>>>   Date: Thursday 24 December 2015 at 11:22 a.m.
> >>>>   To: 'Accountability Cross Community'
> >>>>   <accountability-cross-community at icann.org
> >>>>   <mailto:accountability-cross-community at icann.org>>
> >>>>   Subject: [CCWG-ACCT] Work plan in January
> >>>>
> >>>>   Dear Colleagues,
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>   In line with the work plan discussion held on call #72, we wish to
> >>>>   inform you that we have decided to increase the number of calls
> >>>>   per week to two to allow for an in-depth analysis of the input
> >>>>   received on our Draft Proposal, and discuss any complex requests
> >>>>   for change there may be. It is currently foreseen that this
> >>>>   frequency of calls will only apply to the month of January.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>   As discussed on 22 December, these calls will be plenary and
> >>>>   topic-based. You will receive a list of topics in advance of the
> >>>>   meetings so that you may plan your participation accordingly.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>   Duration of the calls will also be extended to 3 hours to allow
> >>>>   for ample time to complete our tasks. Calls will be cancelled
> >>>>   (and/or duration will be reduced) if deemed unnecessary.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>   Please note that staff will send invites as well as overview of
> >>>>   the conference call calendar shortly.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>   We look forward to reconvening in January and wish you a happy
> >>>>   holiday season for those of you who celebrate.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>   Best regards
> >>>>
> >>>>   Mathieu – Thomas - León
> >>>>
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