[CCWG-ACCT] Work plan in January
Dr Eberhard W Lisse
el at lisse.na
Tue Dec 29 19:35:36 UTC 2015
As I wrote before,
What does the one side say?
What does the other side hear?
What do both want to achieve?
Usually it is power/control which translates into a lot of things.
True Altruism is an Unamerican concept.
el
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> On 29 Dec 2015, at 20:56, Kavouss Arasteh <kavouss.arasteh at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Dear All,
> Yes ,
>
> we have committed ourselves to getting the work done
> Quickly Done , badly done?
> and we have a world of people waiting for us to make and end of it.
> To witness a correct work agreed by everybody or a work even objected at the level of CCWG?
>
> We have been slipping our schedule. While the reasons for slipping the schedule may
> be legitimate (not always certain of that) it does not mean we haven't
> slipped on promises.
>
> Promisses to whom? there is no deadline but just objectives
>
> We continue to slip. I think this commits us to do
> our best to just keep putting one foot in front of the other and
> continuing to do our best to get the work done.
>
> Yes, we have to go forward but not merely by dobbling the calls' number and their duration. We need to have a valid Schedule and valid work plan and review ,and if necessary revise our working method
>
> That is not done by
> taking a leisurely time, but is one the aided by focusing on the work
> intensively.
>
> Focusing on works intensively does not necerssirily means 8 calls each 3 hours in 24 days.without an overall agenda of the works and without working strategy and work plan
>
> I still think we should be considering intensive online working weekends.
>
> We have had in the past few 3 hours meeting/calls which was not efficient. No meeting lasts more than 1,30 mints thus there is a need to break.
>
> I also think it may be time for the members among us (I am not one) to
> do some deciding on the issues where we still do not have full
> consensus.
>
> Therte are several areas in which there is not full consensus at this stage. Moreover, reviewing ICANN Board's comments more divergence were created..After receiving public comments, situation may get worse.
>
>
> For example, if at the end of the intense work period in
> January we are still arguing about some details, they should decide on
> those issues,
>
> Who should devicides on those issues?
>
> we should document that fact, and move on.we should
>
> Documentsing the divergence and move on what?
>
> We need to understand the golden rule of negotiation,mutual respect, mutual understanding and equality of rights
> Tks
> Kavouss
>
>
> 2015-12-29 19:26 GMT+01:00 Chartier, Mike S <mike.s.chartier at intel.com>:
>> Avri,
>> I'm a little confused. What do you mean by "they should decide on those issues"?
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> > On Dec 29, 2015, at 1:07 PM, Avri Doria <avri at acm.org> wrote:
>> >
>> > Hi,
>> >
>> > I am not into rushing.
>> > And certainly not into rushing for rushing sake.
>> >
>> > But we have committed ourselves to getting the work done and we have a
>> > world of people waiting for us to make and end of it. We have been
>> > slipping our schedule. While the reasons for slipping the schedule may
>> > be legitimate (not always certain of that) it does not mean we haven't
>> > slipped on promises. We continue to slip. I think this commits us to do
>> > our best to just keep putting one foot in front of the other and
>> > continuing to do our best to get the work done. That is not done by
>> > taking a leisurely time, but is one the aided by focusing on the work
>> > intensively.
>> >
>> > I still think we should be considering intensive online working weekends.
>> >
>> > I also think it may be time for the members among us (I am not one) to
>> > do some deciding on the issues where we still do not have full
>> > consensus. For example, if at the end of the intense work period in
>> > January we are still arguing about some details, they should decide on
>> > those issues, we should document that fact, and move on.
>> >
>> > avri
>> >
>> >> On 29-Dec-15 12:15, Kavouss Arasteh wrote:
>> >> Yes
>> >> Some people rush and rush.
>> >> In some of the working party meeting in the past there was about 10 participant since others could not afford that.
>> >> Multiplication if meetings and extension of their duration does not always have good results.
>> >> We need good plan,good preparation and advance working document and establishment of priorities
>> >> Kavousd
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Sent from my iPhone
>> >>
>> >>> On 25 Dec 2015, at 01:41, Avri Doria <avri at acm.org> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> Hi,
>> >>>
>> >>> I think the intensive schedule is necessary and we will find a way if we
>> >>> want to have any chance of succeeding with an IANA Transition in 2016.
>> >>>
>> >>> I also think 3hr meetings are ok. We might even consider one or more
>> >>> of those remote weekends of meetings when they do not interfere with
>> >>> people's work.
>> >>>
>> >>> avri
>> >>>
>> >>>> On 24-Dec-15 06:58, Kavouss Arasteh wrote:
>> >>>> Dear Mathieu
>> >>>> Thank you for your suggestion
>> >>>> As I told you at various occations, human being mental capacity should
>> >>>> not be overloaded.
>> >>>> I have participated in many conference calls since years.
>> >>>> Any call which lasts more than two hours was totally inefficient
>> >>>> Pls then reduce the duration to maximum two hours
>> >>>> Regards
>> >>>> Kavouss
>> >>>>
>> >>>> 2015-12-24 12:25 GMT+01:00 James Gannon <james at cyberinvasion.net
>> >>>> <mailto:james at cyberinvasion.net>>:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I don’t forsee anyone who is not being compensated for their work
>> >>>> being able to dedicate 6 hours from a working week to this, I
>> >>>> object to rushing things and designing schedules which are
>> >>>> unrealistic IMO.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> -Jg
>> >>>>
>> >>>> From: <accountability-cross-community-bounces at icann.org
>> >>>> <mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces at icann.org>> on
>> >>>> behalf of Mathieu Weill <mathieu.weill at afnic.fr
>> >>>> <mailto:mathieu.weill at afnic.fr>>
>> >>>> Date: Thursday 24 December 2015 at 11:22 a.m.
>> >>>> To: 'Accountability Cross Community'
>> >>>> <accountability-cross-community at icann.org
>> >>>> <mailto:accountability-cross-community at icann.org>>
>> >>>> Subject: [CCWG-ACCT] Work plan in January
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Dear Colleagues,
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> In line with the work plan discussion held on call #72, we wish to
>> >>>> inform you that we have decided to increase the number of calls
>> >>>> per week to two to allow for an in-depth analysis of the input
>> >>>> received on our Draft Proposal, and discuss any complex requests
>> >>>> for change there may be. It is currently foreseen that this
>> >>>> frequency of calls will only apply to the month of January.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> As discussed on 22 December, these calls will be plenary and
>> >>>> topic-based. You will receive a list of topics in advance of the
>> >>>> meetings so that you may plan your participation accordingly.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Duration of the calls will also be extended to 3 hours to allow
>> >>>> for ample time to complete our tasks. Calls will be cancelled
>> >>>> (and/or duration will be reduced) if deemed unnecessary.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Please note that staff will send invites as well as overview of
>> >>>> the conference call calendar shortly.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> We look forward to reconvening in January and wish you a happy
>> >>>> holiday season for those of you who celebrate.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Best regards
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Mathieu – Thomas - León
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
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