[CCWG-ACCT] Work plan in January

[Dr Eberhard W Lisse]

Again, 

our decision making process is subordinate to external considerations.

el

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> On 30 Dec 2015, at 06:14, Avri Doria <avri at acm.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Yes, they were selected by our chartering organization not elected by
> the members of the group.
> My error.
> But nonetheless, we, for the most part, have accepted them as the groups
> leader's.
> 
> Hey, but if we want to slow things down even more, we can ask the
> chartering organizations to pick new leadership, they can come in and
> reorganize the effort and another year will have passed.
> (No I do not advocate this)
> 
> avri
> 
> 
>> On 29-Dec-15 18:13, Paul Rosenzweig wrote:
>> Doesn't the charter say that the co-chairs would be appointed by the
>> chartering organizations at their election/discretion?  
>> 
>> Paul Rosenzweig
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>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Dr Eberhard W Lisse [mailto:el at lisse.na] 
>> Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2015 6:02 PM
>> To: CCWG Accountability <accountability-cross-community at icann.org>
>> Cc: Lisse Eberhard <directors at omadhina.NET>
>> Subject: Re: [CCWG-ACCT] Work plan in January
>> 
>> Who elected whom?
>> 
>> I can't find any record of any election, which makes their actions even more
>> deplorable.
>> 
>> el
>> 
>> 
>> 
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>>> On 29 Dec 2015, at 23:09, Avri Doria <avri at acm.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> The CCWG made the promises. 
>>> - They were discussed with the group. 
>>> - Then the leaders we had elected made decisions and the promises in 
>>> our names.
>>> - Then, we did not eject them from leadership for having done so. 
>>> 
>>> I am not condemning us for slipping, just saying we need to figure out 
>>> how to stop slipping and make and end of it.
>>> 
>>> I believe are responsible for the commitments made in the name of the
>> group.
>>> avri
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On 29-Dec-15 13:16, Nigel Roberts wrote:
>>>> These are promises made by external parties.
>>>> 
>>>> It's a well known tactic -- impose an artificial deadline and force 
>>>> through what you want.
>>>> 
>>>>> On 29/12/15 18:05, Avri Doria wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> be legitimate  (not always certain of that) it does not mean we 
>>>>> haven't slipped on promises. We continue to slip.  I think this 
>>>>> commits us to do
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