[CCWG-ACCT] Follow-up from the Word Internet Conference in China

Seun Ojedeji seun.ojedeji at gmail.com
Thu Dec 31 11:27:32 UTC 2015


On Wed, Dec 30, 2015 at 6:11 PM, Sivasubramanian M <isolatedn at gmail.com>
wrote:

>
> Must have been severely stressful. A case of a CEO not empowered
> enough to survive an overwhelmingly powerful community.
>

Guess what; the community is about to be more powerful by the
implementation of the outcome of the CCWG-Accountability[1], yet some
thinks the power is not just enough as proposed. Perhaps appointing
community as CEO and board will do the magic.

Happy new Year to any part of the world that may have already experienced
it!

Regards
1. The possible organization in-effectiveness(and unecessary resource
consumption)  that the implementation of those powers could cause cannot be
underestimated until we all experience it. Nevermind that it could indeed
be the goal of some in this process.

>
> Sivasubramanian M
>
> On Wed, Dec 30, 2015 at 8:05 PM, Carlos Raul Gutierrez <crg at isoc-cr.org>
> wrote:
> > Thank you Milton!
> >
> > Very good article from my perspective, but still it is difficult to
> define
> > how and at what level it is best to engage with your main (internet)
> > equipment supplier.....
> >
> > Have a nice "rutsch" into the new year.
> >
> > Carlos
> >
> > On Dec 30, 2015 5:49 AM, "Mueller, Milton L" <milton at gatech.edu> wrote:
> >>
> >> Here’s my view of ICANN and Fadi’s support for the Chinese Wuzhen
> Internet
> >> Conference. (Spoiler: it’s not about Fadi)
> >>
> >>
> >>
> http://www.internetgovernance.org/2015/12/29/the-chinese-netmundial-initiative/
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> From: accountability-cross-community-bounces at icann.org
> >> [mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces at icann.org] On Behalf Of
> >> Carlos Raul
> >> Sent: Monday, December 28, 2015 10:35 AM
> >> To: Roelof Meijer <Roelof.Meijer at sidn.nl>
> >> Cc: Accountability Cross Community
> >> <accountability-cross-community at icann.org>
> >> Subject: Re: [CCWG-ACCT] Follow-up from the Word Internet Conference in
> >> China
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> @Roelof +1 on the last comment. Having somebody as bright as Fadi but
> >> choking his efforts to follow up on the IMHO GREAT results of the Net
> >> Mundial meeting in Brazil, has been the main explanation to me on why
> he is
> >> leaving.
> >>
> >> For those critical of his entrepreneurship they may consider NOT hiring
> >> private sector CEOs in the future, but "secretary general" type of
> >> management that just follow up orders.
> >>
> >> Happy holidays
> >>
> >> Carlos Raul
> >>
> >> On Dec 28, 2015 9:05 AM, "Roelof Meijer" <Roelof.Meijer at sidn.nl> wrote:
> >>
> >> Might be the reason why someone like Fadi is actually NOT working for
> >> you...
> >>
> >> And no, I do not agree at all that this is a "great example of lack of
> >> accountability"
> >>
> >> Best,
> >>
> >> Roelof Meijer
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On 26-12-15 13:19, "accountability-cross-community-bounces at icann.org on
> >> behalf of Nigel Roberts" <
> accountability-cross-community-bounces at icann.org
> >> on behalf of nigel at channelisles.net> wrote:
> >>
> >> >Paul
> >> >
> >> >If Fadi worked for me, then his leaving date would just have been
> >> >brought forward dramatically, and he would have, as we say in the UK,
> >> >found a number of pressing reasons to spend more time with the family.
> >> >
> >> >But the Board don't collectively have the cojones to do that.
> >> >
> >> >That's not really a criticism of the institution or the current members
> >> >of it, just a recognition of how much power that the Board of
> >> >non-profits (don't) have over their General Manager (as I saw over 20
> >> >years ago as a board member of the Radio Society of Great Britain,
> which
> >> >despite being an office I could trace back in history to a certain Sr.
> >> >Marconi, had exactly the same level of power(lessness) than the ICANN
> >> >Board has, in some aspects).
> >> >
> >> >Indeed, were I an ICANN Board member I might take that view -- in that
> >> >the damage to the organisation from further inflaming the situation
> >> >might be greater than just crossing my fingers and waiting for the
> >> >problem to go away naturally in the Spring.
> >> >
> >> >However, it's a great example of lack of accountability, wouldn't you
> >> >agree?
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >On 25/12/15 15:33, Paul Rosenzweig wrote:
> >> >> We must live in a bit of a different world, I think. Where I come
> from,
> >> >>any
> >> >> public official (and let's not kid ourselves -- that is what Fadi is)
> >> >>who
> >> >> did what Fadi did would be subject to discipline if not removal.
> While
> >> >> acting in a public role, the official has no private capacity -- none
> >> >> at
> >> >> all.  At least in the world I inhabit that prohibition is so
> stringent
> >> >>that
> >> >> it applies even to actions that would be (under any reasonable test)
> so
> >> >> clearly distinct that the likelihood of confusing the public role
> with
> >> >>the
> >> >> private role was virtually non-existent.
> >> >>
> >> >> For a particularly telling recent example of this, consider this
> story:
> >> >>
> >>
> >> >> >>
> https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/meet-the-author-of-the-rev
> >> >>ena
> >> >>
> >>
> >> >>
> >>nt--except-you-cant-because-of-his-federal-job/2015/12/22/32d632fe-a5c5-1
> >> >>1e5
> >> >> -ad3f-991ce3374e23_story.html.  A minor Federal official wrote "The
> >> >> Revenant" before he joined the government.  Now, the book is a major
> >> >>movie
> >> >> just released today, starring Leonardo DiCaprio.  In the normal
> course
> >> >>of
> >> >> events, the writer of the book on which the film was based would be
> >> >>doing
> >> >> publicity for the film.  Here, the author cannot -- because he is a
> >> >>Deputy
> >> >> Trade Representative of the US.  Now, I don't know about you, but for
> >> >>me the
> >> >> likelihood that people will associate the movie publicity with the
> USTR
> >> >> office and draw an inference of official US government approval is
> >> >> vanishingly small -- so on the merits I would say that this is a
> place
> >> >>where
> >> >> the officials private life could diverge from his public
> >> >> responsibility.
> >> >> But as I said, here we are so cautious about even the appearance of
> >> >> impropriety that the author is not doing any public relations for his
> >> >>movie.
> >> >>
> >> >> As others have pointed out for Fadi the possibility of confusion is
> >> >>clearly
> >> >> much higher -- the press and the public will (and have) linked his
> new
> >> >> "personal capacity" job to his current status as CEO of ICANN --
> which
> >> >>is of
> >> >> course exactly why he was hired and exactly what the Chinese wanted.
> >> >> Frankly, as Nigel said, I find his behavior troubling and remarkably
> >> >>tone
> >> >> deaf.
> >> >>
> >> >> I should add that the purpose of the restriction on trading on your
> >> >>public
> >> >> position works both ways.  We worry not only about the new "private"
> >> >> connection currying favor with public official, we also worry that
> the
> >> >> official may make decisions in his public capacity that are now to
> >> >>benefit
> >> >> his future private actions rather than the public interest.  It isn't
> >> >>the
> >> >> connection and the cooperation that is troubling (as Eric notes) --
> it
> >> >>is
> >> >> the promise of future employment with unknown benefits that was made
> >> >>while
> >> >> the public official was still working for the public that raises the
> >> >> questions.
> >> >>
> >> >> Paul
> >> >>
> >> >> Paul Rosenzweig
> >> >> paul.rosenzweig at redbranchconsulting.com
> >> >> O: +1 (202) 547-0660
> >> >> M: +1 (202) 329-9650
> >> >> VOIP: +1 (202) 738-1739
> >> >> Skype: paul.rosenzweig1066
> >> >> Link to my PGP Key
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> >> From: Nigel Roberts [mailto:nigel at channelisles.net]
> >> >> Sent: Friday, December 25, 2015 5:47 AM
> >> >> To: accountability-cross-community at icann.org
> >> >> Subject: Re: [CCWG-ACCT] Follow-up from the Word Internet Conference
> in
> >> >> China
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>> Are we tending a bit much toward micromanagement of the CEO?  I have
> >> >>> never been one of his fans, but this seems a bit much to make an
> issue
> >> >> over.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> avri
> >> >>
> >> >> This is not just a matter of judgment, but a matter of cross-cultural
> >> >> judgment. The CEO gets paid to get this right. And I REALLY expected
> >> >>better
> >> >> from Mr Chehade' in that department
> >> >>
> >> >> Actually, I would not have expected this kind of behaviour from
> recent
> >> >> previous CEOs.  Certainly not from Paul.  In fact not even from Rod,
> >> >> who
> >> >>    despite his public persona and irritating Hollywood rockstar ways
> >> >>was, in
> >> >> many was, quite sensitive to non-US cultures!
> >> >>
> >> >> In China, relationships matter.
> >> >>
> >> >> Appearance matters. A lot.
> >> >>
> >> >> Both of those things can be as important, if not more important than
> >> >> the
> >> >> 'letter of the law' as to whose dime he was on when carrying on the
> >> >> discussion with the relevant actors inside China.
> >> >>
> >> >> The American way (and the British, to a lesser extent) is based on a
> >> >> cliteral interpretation of the rules (with a seasoning of
> 'wiggle-room'
> >> >> for peccadilloes).
> >> >>
> >> >> So while it's understandable to hear from some of you that you don't
> >> >>see the
> >> >> problem, some of us really, really see a big issue here.
> >> >>
> >> >> I'm not going to complain loudly about the ethics side, although I
> >> >> personally find it curious that Fadi was there on ICANN's dime, yet
> >> >> once
> >> >> again making announcements 'in his personal capacity'.  A CEO can
> never
> >> >>be
> >> >> in his personal capacity, in my view until he gets his cardboard box.
> >> >> (It was strange how the reporters describe him as ICANN's CEO,
> though.
> >> >> Oh yes, that's because he IS. Even yet.)
> >> >>
> >> >> The issue is that the head of ICANN, voluntarily handed in his
> >> >>resignation,
> >> >> choosing to leave early, before transition was complete, and in
> another
> >> >> revolving-door shocker joined an organisation with an apparently
> >> >>completely
> >> >> different world view, and chose Wuzhen to make supportive statements
> of
> >> >>them
> >> >> and their backers.
> >> >>
> >> >> Once again, 'it's not what they say, its what others hear'.
> >> >>
> >> >> UK public servants have a purdah period before moving to
> organisations
> >> >>that
> >> >> operate in the same sphere.  Why, in the name of accountabaility,
> does
> >> >>ICANN
> >> >> still not? (Have we forgotten and already discounted the terrible
> >> >>optics of
> >> >> Dengate-Thrushgate?). A mere xix months would not be onerous.
> >> >>
> >> >> Please don't dissect Fadi's actual words. They don't count.
> >> >>
> >> >> Hardly at all.
> >> >>
> >> >> It's the nature of 'who', 'where', and 'when' that counts much more
> >> >> than
> >> >> 'what', or even 'why'.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>> '
> >> >>> And with that, I shall stop and simply add -- Happy Holidays!
> >> >>>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Likewise.
> >> >>
> >> >>
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