[CCWG-ACCT] Call(s) on Thursday

Jordan Carter jordan at internetnz.net.nz
Wed Jul 29 19:39:23 UTC 2015

Nigel, you could be cynical, or you could not be.

I would far rather we had had more time to do this process. But the powers
that be have imposed a timeline on us. It is not self-created urgency in
the slightest. It is urgency that comes from, among other places, ICANN
itself; the United States Government; parts of the technical community who
have wanted to be without the USG link for a very long time.

Please don't assert there's some kind of conspiracy here, because I don't
know anyone who thinks that the timeframes for our work have been perfect.

The participants' best efforts, and the excellent legal advice we have had,
gives me great confidence that the proposal we are fining up on will not
have serious unintended consequences.

Taking another year would not mean an infinitely better proposal. The
writing might end up more elegant, but the analysis and the project is the
work already of years of reflection and debate by many groups.

I'll close with a quite dull procedural point - the documents that you are
not getting much time to review for these calls are generally a) making
tiny, incremental changes from previous versions, and b) have been
substantially the same for weeks. Nothing is being "sprung" on anyone right


On 29 July 2015 at 20:27, Nigel Roberts <nigel at channelisles.net> wrote:

> As a mere participant I have found it almost impossible to join the calls
> due to the vast number of them and the release of important documents no
> more than hours before.
> If I was cynical, I would suggest this method of working was deliberately
> exclusionary.
> As several other participants know from their membership of another
> extremely important and potentially controversial WG, there is another,
> better, way.
> But that would incompatible with the self-created urgency.
> I am beginning to become seriously worried that major changes will be made
> to the ICANN structure and IANA relationship without the time for due
> consideration, just because there's a US Presidential election in the
> office.
> On 07/29/2015 09:05 AM, Dr Eberhard Lisse wrote:
>> I have a previous engagement at 17:00 UTC.
>> And as previously I object against having 2 or more calls on the same day.
>> greetings, el
>> On 2015-07-29 08:23, Grace Abuhamad wrote:
>>> Dear all,
>>> The poll is now closed. Staff will proceed to schedule _two calls
>>> for Thursday 30 July_:
>>>    * 11:00 – 13:00 UTC
>>>    * 17:00 – 19:00 UTC (this call may need to be extended depending on
>>>      progress made)
>>> Please look forward to calendar notices. The Agenda will follow later
>>> today.
>>> Best,
>>> Grace
>> [...]
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