[CCWG-ACCT] A modest proposal to start the week

[Roelof Meijer]

Alan,

"The prime power is to challenge ICANN on its decisions and
to ratify some of those decisions²

The way I understand it, we do not need either UA¹s or ICANN to become a
membership organization, to do that

Best,

Roelof




On 01-06-15 16:59, "Alan Greenberg" <alan.greenberg at mcgill.ca> wrote:

>I support Avri.
>
>First, suing ICANN is NOT the only power they have. That is a last
>resort power that we are told will never (well nearly never) be
>exercised. The prime power is to challenge ICANN on its decisions and
>to ratify some of those decisions. As described in the community
>mechanisms in the CCWG Draft Proposal.
>
>We are putting these mechanisms in place because we have a lack of
>trust in the good judgement of the Board. But we are will now have an
>AC/So either appoint individuals, or appoint individuals to a UA. And
>since that AC/SO has no legal status, it cannot "enforce" that its
>representatives are truly following their directives. But we will
>trust them because they are part of our community. But if we appoint
>this same person to the Board, they are no longer trustworthy.
>
>And no doubt these views are also out of order.
>
>Alan
>
>At 01/06/2015 10:45 AM, Avri Doria wrote:
>
>
>>On 01-Jun-15 10:35, Malcolm Hutty wrote:
>> > What is it you fear that these "unaccountable UA" might do?
>>
>>That they not be accountable to the stakeholder they are allegedly
>>accountable to.
>>
>>As has been brought up by more than one of our advisers, if they are the
>>main point of ICANN accountability, it must be possible to guarantee
>>their accountability as much as we need to guarantee the Board's
>>accountability when it hold the token for ICANN accountability.
>>
>>Having been a member or observer of many of these entities I have fond
>>that they are often disorganized, ruled by a few strong personalities in
>>a sea of apathy, and given to making up rules on the fly when needed.
>>They do not even necessarily follow the rules htey have agreed to in the
>>charers, though some do, not all of them.  And for the most part, though
>>they are supposed to transparent, most aren't.
>>
>>So what i fear is that they are accountable to none except the few
>>strong personalities.
>>
>>So if we want to base our trust in ICANN on a membership model, we need
>>to make sure it is at least as accountable as what we have now.
>>
>>avri
>>
>>
>>
>>
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