[CCWG-ACCT] Legal counsel engagement enhancements

[Dr Eberhard W Lisse]

Rather than, and at this late juncture, worrying about billable hours, we should focus on whether we are getting enough bang for, the buck.

If so, I could not care less what happens to ICANN's proceeds from new GTLDs.

el

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> On Jun 20, 2015, at 17:08, Jordan Carter <jordan at internetnz.net.nz> wrote:
> 
> Maybe we could have a "default" max of one per firm on WP calls and the same on CCWG calls, with more allowed if the subject matter in the agenda demands it?
> 
> I too share Roelof's view...
> 
> best
> Jordan
> 
> 
>> On 20 June 2015 at 17:03, Chris Disspain <ceo at auda.org.au> wrote:
>> Speaking as a lawyer……give lawyers a maximum and they will use it!
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Chris
>> 
>> 
>>> On 21 Jun 2015, at 05:49 , León Felipe Sánchez Ambía <leonfelipe at sanchez.mx> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Thanks Roelof,
>>> 
>>> This is a maximum, not a minimum. Therefore, this doesn’t mean we will be having 4 lawyers a call but rather limit their attendance to 4 whereas before we had no limit and I can recall meetings where we had more than 4 lawyers attending.
>>> 
>>> I hope this is more clear.
>>> 
>>> Best regards,
>>> 
>>> 
>>> León
>>> 
>>>> El 20/06/2015, a las 16:44, Roelof Meijer <Roelof.Meijer at sidn.nl> escribió:
>>>> 
>>>> Léon, Mathieu,
>>>> 
>>>> You can¹t be serious. I see no reason whatsoever why we would need 2
>>>> lawyers per firm and so 4 lawyers per call/meeting. These are reputed
>>>> firms and expert lawyers, one of each firm should suffice.
>>>> I really take an issue with the amount of money we¹re spending on legal
>>>> advice
>>>> 
>>>> Best,
>>>> 
>>>> Roelof
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On 20-06-15 16:35, "accountability-cross-community-bounces at icann.org on
>>>> behalf of León Felipe Sánchez Ambía"
>>>> <accountability-cross-community-bounces at icann.org on behalf of
>>>> leonfelipe at sanchez.mx> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Just as a follow up to Mathieu¹s email, I would like to clarify that
>>>>> lawyers maximum attendance per call/meeting is 2 lawyers per firm.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> León
>>>>> 
>>>>>> El 20/06/2015, a las 16:24, Mathieu Weill <mathieu.weill at afnic.fr>
>>>>>> escribió:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Dear Colleagues,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> During last week's call, we agreed that the co-chair would engage with
>>>>>> the lawyers in order to optimize interactions between our group and the
>>>>>> independent legal counsel, taking into account the importance of quality
>>>>>> advice as well as the concerns regarding expenses.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> We have met today with Holly and Rosemary and this is to report on the
>>>>>> ways forward we have agreed on :
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> * to avoid any misunderstanding on questions, as well as enable a
>>>>>> better assessment of costs, we will refrain from certifying questions
>>>>>> until :
>>>>>>  * a discussion has taken place between lawyers and the colleague
>>>>>> asking the question, either through a regular call or through ad hoc
>>>>>> calls (such ad hoc calls would obviously be transcribed and open)
>>>>>>  * such a discussion has, if need be, produced a clarified version of
>>>>>> the question, an estimate of whether the response would require a lot of
>>>>>> research, and an indication of the potential value of the research for
>>>>>> the group's further deliberations.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> * participation of lawyers to meetings and calls will be limited to a
>>>>>> maximum of 2. As a consequence, lawyers may not always be able to
>>>>>> respond to our questions instantly. In such cases, we will rely on the
>>>>>> above certification process.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> * a "punch list" of issues will be produced avec Buenos Aires and
>>>>>> shared with the group as a project management tool.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> We are convinced these simple steps will be useful to get the best
>>>>>> value out of the outstanding expertise of our cousel.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> *****************************
>>>>>> Mathieu WEILL
>>>>>> AFNIC - directeur général
>>>>>> Tél: +33 1 39 30 83 06
>>>>>> mathieu.weill at afnic.fr
>>>>>> Twitter : @mathieuweill
>>>>>> *****************************
>>>>>> 
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