[CCWG-ACCT] Communique - revised - any feedback by midnight Argentina time

Sun Jun 21 20:02:25 UTC 2015

Eberhard,

Again. This is a blunt misrepresentation of facts and manipulation of what I said.

I did approach you to say hi as a common courtesy to anyone I meet and I reiterated to you that the statement was drafted, openly read out loud, circulated for feedback and then published. To that you replied, “Then I am right, that is not a deliberation and since you don’t give a shit about process, I have objected to it on the list”.

Those are the facts.

Best regards,

León

> El 21/06/2015, a las 15:42, Dr Eberhard W Lisse <el at lisse.na> escribió:
> 
> Dear Co-Chairs,
> 
> Please note that your Co-Chair approached me in the lobby
> and stated: "You were right about the statement, it was not deliberated".
> 
> Hence, I am most certainly not the one misrepresenting anything.
> 
> 
> Please inform our colleague that he may seek whatever he wants,
> which he does all the time anyway, but fortunately there have been
> witnesses, of which he was not one.
> 
> Please also inform your Co-Chair that I have not singled his last
> reply out, and that since CCWG Accountability has been included in
> all correspondence in this regards and since I will ensure that all
> his future responses hereto will be forwarded to the mailing lists there
> is no substance to his comments.
> 
> As usual.
> 
> greetings, el
> 
> 
> On 2015-06-21 13:37 , Drazek, Keith wrote:
>> Dear Co-Chairs,
>> 
>> I request you seek a retraction and formal apology from our
>> colleague for this very unfortunate, but perhaps not surprising,
>> turn of events.
>> 
>> Thanks and regards, Keith
>> 
>> 
>> On Jun 21, 2015, at 1:27 PM, León Felipe Sánchez Ambía
>> <leonfelipe at sanchez.mx <mailto:leonfelipe at sanchez.mx>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Eberhard,
>>> 
>>> This is a blunt misrepresentation and manipulation of my reply.
>>> Not to mention that you have copied lists to which I am not
>>> entitled to post to my detriment.
>>> 
>>> Saludos,
>>> 
>>> 
>>> León
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Enviado desde el móvil. Disculpa brevedad y errores tipográficos.
>>> 
>>> El jun 21, 2015, a las 12:26 PM, Dr Eberhard W Lisse
>>> <epilisse at gmail.com <mailto:epilisse at gmail.com>> escribió:
>>> 
>>>> Dear Co-Chairs
>>>> 
>>>> I wish to thank your collleague Leon very much for admitting in
>>>> person that it was not deliberated.
>>>> 
>>>> el
>>>> --
>>>> Sent from Dr Lisse's iPhone 5s
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Jun 21, 2015, at 12:06, Dr Eberhard W Lisse <epilisse at gmail.com
>>>> <mailto:epilisse at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Reading out loud is not deliberating.
>>>>> 
>>>>> So It is correct.
>>>>> 
>>>>> el
>>>>> 
>>>>> --
>>>>> Sent from Dr Lisse's iPhone 5s
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Jun 21, 2015, at 12:01, León Felipe Sánchez Ambía
>>>>> <leonfelipe at sanchez.mx <mailto:leonfelipe at sanchez.mx>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> That is not correct. It was read out loud, circulated for feedback
>>>>>> and then published.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Objection noted.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> León
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> El 21/06/2015, a las 11:57, Dr Eberhard W Lisse
>>>>>>> <epilisse at gmail.com <mailto:epilisse at gmail.com>> escribió:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> So what I hear that it was drafted by the Co-Chairs during lunch
>>>>>>> is correct. Never mind that it was not deliberated by the plenum.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Since the statement uses past tense it is at best misleading.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> So, for the record, I object against the statement.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> greetings, el
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Sent from Dr Lisse's iPhone 5s
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Jun 21, 2015, at 09:46, León Felipe Sánchez Ambía
>>>>>>> <leonfelipe at sanchez.mx <mailto:leonfelipe at sanchez.mx>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Dear Eberhard,
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> This was drafted before the end of our working day session, read
>>>>>>>> out loud to attendants and circulated for feedback.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> León
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> El 21/06/2015, a las 9:29, Dr Eberhard W Lisse <el at lisse.na
>>>>>>>>> <mailto:el at lisse.na>> escribió:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Dear Co-Chairs,
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> I have not received a substantive response to my request.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> My understanding is that it was drafted before the meeting was
>>>>>>>>> finished, over lunch.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> I demand an answer.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> el
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> Sent from Dr Lisse's iPad mini
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On Jun 19, 2015, at 23:07, Dr Eberhard W Lisse
>>>>>>>>> <epilisse at gmail.com <mailto:epilisse at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> When EXACTLY was this drafted?
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> el
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>> Sent from Dr Lisse's iPhone 5s
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 19, 2015, at 17:10, Jordan Carter
>>>>>>>>>> <jordan at internetnz.net.nz <mailto:jordan at internetnz.net.nz>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Hi all
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Attached in doc and pdf are the updated communique - clean,
>>>>>>>>>>> and showing all the changes tracked. Mathieu finalised this.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> I've also pasted the clean version below for easy reading.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> *Any comments or issues please to the list or the co-chairs by
>>>>>>>>>>> midnight Argentina time (around seven hours from time of
>>>>>>>>>>> sending)*.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> cheers
>>>>>>>>>>> Jordan
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> [...]
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