[CCWG-ACCT] Communique - revised - any feedback by midnight Argentina time

Mon Jun 22 12:52:48 UTC 2015

I second Greg's motion!!!!!

Carlos Raúl Gutiérrez
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> El jun 22, 2015, a las 9:47, Greg Shatan <gregshatanipc at gmail.com> escribió:
> 
> +1 to Paul and to our esteemed Ombudsman.
> 
> Greg Shatan
> 
>> On Mon, Jun 22, 2015 at 9:27 AM, Chris LaHatte <chris.lahatte at icann.org> wrote:
>> May I implore participants to continue to note the ICANN policy on polite discourse. It is important to have a strong and vigorous debate but we don't need to make personal attacks on each other. A polite note of disagreement should be sufficient, and has been frequently used. But if we start to attack individuals on list, this will distract us from the real tasks
>> Regards
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> > On 22/06/2015, at 8:53 am, Paul Rosenzweig <paul.rosenzweig at redbranchconsulting.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > Colleagues
>> >
>> > It seems to me worth recording, for "the record" that our colleague so
>> > frequently alludes to, some thoughts about the leadership of our group.
>> > Given the frequency and vituperative nature of the criticism emanating from
>> > one corner, I would not want silence in our discussions to in any way
>> > betoken agreement or assent.  When some future historian looks back on these
>> > proceedings they might mistake volume for accuracy and lack of contradiction
>> > for agreement.  That is most certainly not the case (at least not for me,
>> > and I suspect for many others).
>> >
>> > I, for one, began this process with a modest amount of optimism that it
>> > could prove productive and a healthy dollop of skepticism that so unwieldy a
>> > process could be effectively managed.  In 35 years in government and the
>> > private sector I have seen any number of committees with a much narrower
>> > mandate and a much smaller membership flounder and fail.
>> >
>> > We should all, therefore, reflect that our co-Chairs and rapporteurs have,
>> > through their efforts, managed to push us along this far and this
>> > effectively.  They have run an open and transparent process.  They have been
>> > inclusive.  They have moved the discussion along (perhaps too fast for some,
>> > but well within the bounds of reasonableness).  They have exhibited patience
>> > beyond measure (I, personally, would long ago have asked the chartering
>> > organization to recall its member).  And, to their very great credit, they
>> > have allowed the process to run without imposing their own views -- indeed,
>> > I would be hard pressed to state exactly what they might be -- an exercise
>> > in restraint that deserves praise.
>> >
>> > In short, by any objective measure our co-Chairs have done a fine job.  It
>> > has not been perfect, to be sure, but it has met every objective test of
>> > reasonableness that one can devise.  I reject utterly any suggestion of
>> > bias, animus, or dishonesty.  Those  are baseless puerile allegations that
>> > reflect more on the nature of the accuser, whose views will, I am sure, be
>> > seen in retrospect as baseless.
>> >
>> > Regards
>> > Paul
>> >
>> > Paul Rosenzweig
>> > paul.rosenzweig at redbranchconsulting.com
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>> > M: +1 (202) 329-9650
>> > VOIP: +1 (202) 738-1739
>> > Skype: paul.rosenzweig1066
>> >
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: Malcolm Hutty [mailto:malcolm at linx.net]
>> > Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2015 4:59 PM
>> > To: Dr Eberhard W Lisse; León Felipe Sánchez Ambía
>> > Cc: List ccTLD Community; CCWG Accountability; Lisse Eberhard;
>> > <ccnso-members at icann.org>; cctldworld at icann.org
>> > Subject: Re: [CCWG-ACCT] Communique - revised - any feedback by midnight
>> > Argentina time
>> >
>> >> On 21/06/2015 21:26, Dr Eberhard W Lisse wrote:
>> >> Dear Co-Chairs,
>> >>
>> >> Your Co-Chair is being quite economical with the truth.
>> >
>> > Dear Dr Lisse,
>> >
>> > I am getting quite tired of the repeated disrespect you are showing to our
>> > colleagues, and your unfair attempts to impugne their integrity.
>> >
>> > The communique was proposed to the meeting and read out. Participants were
>> > invited to comment; there being no substantive comments, the communique was
>> > accepted. I don't know what more deliberation you could want. The handling
>> > was entirely proper and normal.
>> >
>> > Your attacks on León are without a shred of justification, as were your
>> > previous attacks on our co-chairs. He deserves your apology, as do they; if
>> > you choose to withhold it, that reflects upon you, not on them.
>> >
>> > Perhaps you might wish to reflect on how counter-productive your approach is
>> > to any effort to persuade colleagues to give their attention to your
>> > interventions, and the disservice you are doing your own cause thereby.
>> >
>> > I am a proud proponent of the multistakeholder model. Many on this list are
>> > new to this model, and unused to the opportunity openness to all does give
>> > to those who wish to be rude and disruptive. I am embarrassed to think how
>> > they must feel when they see this spat, and the other occasions you have
>> > mistreated colleagues here.
>> >
>> > I can only hope that our new colleagues can look past the behaviour of one
>> > individual and recognise the deep well of cooperation and goodwill that
>> > characterises the rest of our work. I hope they can still find it in
>> > themselves to agree with me that the great achievement of building a broad
>> > base of consensus in such a challenging area is worth even the inconvenience
>> > of suffering such rudeness.
>> >
>> > I am sorry I have had to be so blunt, but remaining silent felt too much
>> > like complicity in an injustice.
>> >
>> > Sincerely,
>> >
>> > Malcolm Hutty.
>> >
>> >
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