[CCWG-ACCT] Work Stream 1 and Work Stream 2: Comments based on impressions from Meeting Notes.

Thu Mar 12 16:43:51 UTC 2015

Yes I agree that there was wide agreement in Frankfurt in January that the community would be calling for some pretty significant reforms to ICANN before any transition could occur.

See the worksheet completed by the CCWG in January that specified which work stream particular accountability mechanisms would be placed:
  https://community.icann.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=51416471

As one can see, these are significant reforms we are undertaking in work stream 1.

Robin

On Mar 12, 2015, at 3:35 AM, Malcolm Hutty wrote:

> 
> 
> On 12/03/2015 02:57, Matthew Shears wrote:
>> I don't think there was ever agreement that WS1 (pre-transition) issues
>> should be minimal.  Most of the community has been asking for some
>> pretty substantial accountbailty issues to be addressed or committed to
>> prior to the transition.
> 
> It occurred to me, especially recognising that not everybody speaks
> English as their first language, that there may be some confusion
> between the definition of "minimum" the somewhat idiomatic use of the
> word "minimal".
> 
> I believe that the consensus was that WS1 should determine the *minimum*
> set of accountability improvements that need to be achieved before
> transition - meaning the irreducible set of such changes that form a
> condition precedent to our support for transition.
> 
> I don't believe there was anything even approaching a consensus that the
> accountability improvments covered by WS1 should be minimal, in the
> sense of meaning that such changes should be very small in extent or effect.
> 
> Malcolm.
> 
> 
> 
>> Matthew
>> 
>> On 3/11/2015 9:00 PM, Jordan Carter wrote:
>>> Hi Sivasubramanian,
>>> 
>>> This comes as something out of the blue in the sense that the CCWG has
>>> been actively discussing a wide range of Work Stream 1 proposals that
>>> have been clearly signalled in writing for weeks and weeks now.
>>> 
>>> Do you have some concrete proposals about the sorts of items before
>>> this CCWG and its Working Parties that you believe *should* be part of
>>> Work Stream 1 (pre-transition)?
>>> 
>>> That would be very helpful input, as soon as possible.
>>> 
>>> I think the CCWG at its meeting in Istanbul will need to resolve its
>>> pitch to the community as to what should be in WS1 and WS2....
>>> 
>>> 
>>> thanks,
>>> Jordan
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 12 March 2015 at 13:54, Sivasubramanian M <isolatedn at gmail.com
>>> <mailto:isolatedn at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>    Hello
>>> 
>>> 
>>>    I was not present for the Legal Sub Team
>>>    call https://community.icann.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=52891852
>>>    on 10th March and have not listened to the recording either. This
>>>    comment is based on the Introductory section of the Meeting Notes,
>>>    which might not be points discussed at length during the Sub Team
>>>    meeting, quoted below, and raised here as a point to consider by
>>>    the whole group:
>>> 
>>>        Notes:  2. Brief Discussion:
>>> 
>>>          * WS2 - no need to be in place before transition takes place
>>>            but needs to take place post transition. 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>        Three items need to be put in place as part of WS1. 
>>> 
>>>          * Recalling members of the ICANN board of directors.
>>> 
>>>          * Community empowerment over ICANN’s management.
>>> 
>>>          * Limiting the scope of ICANN’s activity. 
>>> 
>>>     *
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>    One of the several proposals for Work Stream 2 was based on the
>>>    rationale that pre-transition changes to the Accountability
>>>    framework is minimal with major improvements to discussed and
>>>    carried out on an ongoing basis post transition. 
>>> 
>>>    With almost zero discussion on Work Stream 2, without even the
>>>    formation of work stream 2, it is highly undesirable to think of
>>>    such changes to the Accountability framework as the inclusion of
>>>    provisions to recall members of the Board, limiting the scope of
>>>    ICANN's activity or even Community empowerment over ICANN
>>>    management.  
>>> 
>>>    Within a well-considered and larger Accountability environment
>>>    such changes could be effected in phases, in tune with a larger
>>>    and clearer blue print, but without even a beginning on such a
>>>    blue print, it is unwise to think of the changes as proposed for
>>>    WS1. These provisions, if included pre-transition and in a rush,
>>>    could prove counter productive.
>>> 
>>>    I would propose the bare minimal improvements to the
>>>    Accountability framework, if such improvements are to be made in a
>>>    rush. At best, WS 1 could discuss such changes but leave it for
>>>    implementation post transition, after more elaborate thinking.
>>> 
>>>    Sivasubramanian M
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>    Sivasubramanian M <https://www.facebook.com/sivasubramanian.muthusamy>
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>>> 
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