[CCWG-ACCT] Update of document on definition & scope

Sat Mar 14 11:03:49 UTC 2015

Fully endorse points raised by Jordan. To further add, a question is Whom
should ICANN Board directly be accountable to for its actions? Does
external accountability require new institutional mechanism, or can
existing provisions be leveraged?

Best Regards,
Rahul Sharma

On 14 March 2015 at 07:26, Jordan Carter <jordan at internetnz.net.nz> wrote:

> Thank you Mathieu and everyone who has worked on this document.
>
> This is a bit wordy and is basically thinking aloud for sharing a
> perspective with colleagues here in the CCWG.
>
> I've read the paper a couple of times over this morning and in thinking
> about the whole of our work, and our links with the CWG's work, I have been
> mulling on the following question:
>
> How can stakeholders assure themselves of having the means to hold ICANN
> to account, following the end of the IANA contract?
>
> This comes to an underlying question of "who should have the power?"
>
>
> Is this "power" question our paper should address more explicitly?
>
> Is it a question we could ask of the advisors?
>
>
> It's a question that seems implicit in the document and in much of the
> detail we've been working on (in both workstreams), and in some of the
> debates that have been complicating the CWG's work.
>
> If you look at all this across the whole scope of ICANN's role, the
> protocol and numbers communities are saying "we have the power" as
> stakeholders - that's why their transition proposals include contracts/MOUs
> with ICANN as the service provider of the IANA functions.
>
> Names hasn't decided yet, but the CWG is working on that question in
> respect of IANA.
>
> For our CCWG, a question we have to answer about ICANN's general
> accountability is "who has the power to hold the corporation to account?"
> In doing so, we won't be able to ignore the question of whether this can be
> done entirely within ICANN's structures, or whether a wider set of
> structures is needed.
>
> That's the issue that underpins debates like:
>
> - should the power to remove the ICANN Board be vested in a community
> grouping, or simply be a procedure followed by ICANN bodies, and anyway is
> either option available under California law?
>
> - does the IANA stewardship transition for names need an external trust or
> contract co to make accountability work?
>
>
> I wonder whether this paper deals explicitly enough with the question of
> power.
>
>
> I looked at the NetMundial text in particular and wonder about the fact
> that most of the stakeholders in the multistakeholder environment are
> accountable to someone - members, or stakeholders, or national governments,
> or shareholders, whatever. Most of the global institutions are either
> state-based or connected to such (e.g. the IGF), or have various sorts of
> membership structures. These linkages keep them all accountable in one way
> or another.
>
> The global organisations that don't have this seem to be things like FIFA
> or the International Olympic Committee.... entities that don't hold
> positive lessons for us in designing a post-NTIA-contract settlement for
> ICANN, except perhaps as warnings to us about what doesn't work.
>
>
> Anyhow, food for thought perhaps.
>
> best
> Jordan
>
>
> On 13 March 2015 at 22:32, Alice Jansen <alice.jansen at icann.org> wrote:
>
>>  Thank you, Mathieu -
>> The documents may be found at:
>> https://community.icann.org/display/acctcrosscomm/Drafts+for+CCWG-Accountability
>> Kind regards
>> Alice
>>
>>   From: Mathieu Weill <mathieu.weill at afnic.fr>
>> Reply-To: Mathieu Weill <mathieu.weill at afnic.fr>
>> Date: Friday, March 13, 2015 8:55 AM
>> To: Robin Gross <robin at ipjustice.org>
>> Cc: "accountability-cross-community at icann.org" <
>> accountability-cross-community at icann.org>, Alice Jansen <
>> alice.jansen at icann.org>
>> Subject: Re: [CCWG-ACCT] Update of document on definition & scope
>>
>>  Dear Colleagues,
>>
>> Attached is the latest version taking into account Robin's inputs.
>>
>> Alice, can you update the wiki please ?
>>
>> Best
>> Mathieu
>>
>> Le 07/03/2015 00:59, Robin Gross a écrit :
>>
>> Hello Mathieu,
>>
>> Thanks very much for this excellent document.  I've made a few suggested edits in the redlined version (attached).
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Robin
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mar 5, 2015, at 5:54 AM, Mathieu Weill wrote:
>>
>>
>>  Dear Colleagues,
>>
>> As you will remember, our draft document was circulated to the Advisors for feedback after our meeting in Frankfurt. You will find the latest version attached, both in edit as well as clean mode.
>>
>> The document has benefitted from substantial and very well documented input from Advisors, and I believe it now provides a solid basis for our future report and call for comments. In the name of the co-chairs, I want to express our gratitude to all contributors.
>>
>> The various versions will be added to the Wiki shortly.
>>
>> Best,
>>
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