[CCWG-ACCT] Work Stream 1 and Work Stream 2: Comments based on impressions from Meeting Notes.

Sat Mar 14 11:15:28 UTC 2015

Carrie to answer your question, ICANN Board needs to have external
accountability, based on pre-defined parameters. ICANN is a not-for-profit
private organization based out of California. According to applicable laws,
I understand that Board of private sector organizations are accountable to
none. But ICANN is not just any private sector organization - it's a trans
national institution meant to selflessly serve entire globe, and thorough
checks and balances need to be in place to determine whether job it's doing
is right, coz its actions impact global community.

How can this be provisioned is the real question that we need to find
answers to.

Best Regards,
Rahul Sharma

On 13 March 2015 at 18:40, Carrie <carriedev at gmail.com> wrote:

> May I ask the elephant in the room question....
>
> You have no control over the ICANN board at this time here and now. What
> makes you believe that once ICANN leaves America and the cast if characters
> become new unknown even nefarious players that you will have control then?
>
> You must put in a law enforcement quotient even for Interpol to have
> standing. A lot of money is involved. Even now there is no accountability
> on monies spent, so law enforcement and local/foreign criminal law must be
> cited in these papers
>
> Sincerely
> Carrie Devorah
> Www.centerforcopyrightintegrity.com
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Mar 13, 2015, at 6:01 AM, Sivasubramanian M <isolatedn at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Thank you.  I hope that it is possible for the CCWG-A to design of these
> changes in a fail fool proof manner so as to:
>
> 1.  Ensure that there are checks and balances in place to ensure that
> Positive (will leave this term undefined) Board Members are not recalled
> 2.  There is a balance within the Community which would prevent its power
> over ICANN's management are exercised with fair reason and proportionately
> and NEVER abused.
>
> and
>
> 3.   Limitations would be placed on ICANN excessively going beyond its
> scope, but continues to coordinate Names and Numbers as also continue to
> work on policy areas that can't be ignored.
>
> If there is adequate time to design and implement these changes with the
> required safeguards, it would indeed be desirable to have these changes.
>
>
> Sivasubramanian M
>
>
> Sivasubramanian M <https://www.facebook.com/sivasubramanian.muthusamy>
>
> On Fri, Mar 13, 2015 at 2:39 PM, Kavouss Arasteh <
> kavouss.arasteh at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Dear All
>> I agree with Mathew
>> Kavouss
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On 12 Mar 2015, at 03:57, Matthew Shears <mshears at cdt.org> wrote:
>>
>>
>> The discussions as to what is in WS1 and WS2 has been going for some time
>> and considerable work has been undertaken on WS1 issues (further separated
>> into WP1 and 2).
>>
>> I don't think there was ever agreement that WS1 (pre-transition) issues
>> should be minimal.  Most of the community has been asking for some pretty
>> substantial accountbailty issues to be addressed or committed to prior to
>> the transition.
>>
>> Matthew
>>
>> On 3/11/2015 9:00 PM, Jordan Carter wrote:
>>
>> Hi Sivasubramanian,
>>
>>  This comes as something out of the blue in the sense that the CCWG has
>> been actively discussing a wide range of Work Stream 1 proposals that have
>> been clearly signalled in writing for weeks and weeks now.
>>
>>  Do you have some concrete proposals about the sorts of items before
>> this CCWG and its Working Parties that you believe *should* be part of Work
>> Stream 1 (pre-transition)?
>>
>>  That would be very helpful input, as soon as possible.
>>
>>  I think the CCWG at its meeting in Istanbul will need to resolve its
>> pitch to the community as to what should be in WS1 and WS2....
>>
>>
>>  thanks,
>> Jordan
>>
>>
>> On 12 March 2015 at 13:54, Sivasubramanian M <isolatedn at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>  Hello
>>>
>>>
>>>  I was not present for the Legal Sub Team call
>>> https://community.icann.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=52891852 on
>>> 10th March and have not listened to the recording either. This comment is
>>> based on the Introductory section of the Meeting Notes, which might not be
>>> points discussed at length during the Sub Team meeting, quoted below, and
>>> raised here as a point to consider by the whole group:
>>>
>>>  Notes:  2. Brief Discussion:
>>>>
>>>>    - WS2 - no need to be in place before transition takes place but
>>>>    needs to take place post transition.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Three items need to be put in place as part of WS1.
>>>>
>>>>    - Recalling members of the ICANN board of directors.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>    - Community empowerment over ICANN’s management.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>    - Limiting the scope of ICANN’s activity.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>    -
>>>
>>>
>>>  One of the several proposals for Work Stream 2 was based on the
>>> rationale that pre-transition changes to the Accountability framework is
>>> minimal with major improvements to discussed and carried out on an ongoing
>>> basis post transition.
>>>
>>>  With almost zero discussion on Work Stream 2, without even the
>>> formation of work stream 2, it is highly undesirable to think of such
>>> changes to the Accountability framework as the inclusion of provisions to
>>> recall members of the Board, limiting the scope of ICANN's activity or even
>>> Community empowerment over ICANN management.
>>>
>>>  Within a well-considered and larger Accountability environment such
>>> changes could be effected in phases, in tune with a larger and clearer blue
>>> print, but without even a beginning on such a blue print, it is unwise to
>>> think of the changes as proposed for WS1. These provisions, if included
>>> pre-transition and in a rush, could prove counter productive.
>>>
>>>  I would propose the bare minimal improvements to the Accountability
>>> framework, if such improvements are to be made in a rush. At best, WS 1
>>> could discuss such changes but leave it for implementation post transition,
>>> after more elaborate thinking.
>>>
>>>  Sivasubramanian M
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>   Sivasubramanian M <https://www.facebook.com/sivasubramanian.muthusamy>
>>>
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>>
>>
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