[CCWG-ACCT] CCWG Advisors joining Istanbul meeting

[Rahul Sharma]

Hi

I too personally do not see it as a non-transparent way of doing things -
with advisors meeting separately and discussing things amongst themselves
to prepare for the upcoming meeting, but Keith's suggestion if implemented
will definitely bring more transparency in the system.

Regards,
Rahul Sharma

On 19 March 2015 at 02:46, Drazek, Keith <kdrazek at verisign.com> wrote:

>  Thanks Adam.
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> For the record, I don’t have a problem with the Advisors meeting together
> in a private session so they can get to know one another.
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> However, as I’ve previously noted, I do have a problem with ICANN staff
> providing “support/background” for the Advisors meeting without anyone from
> the CCWG able to observe.  It appears I’m not the only CCWG participant who
> shares these concerns.
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> Any substantive discussions, preparatory work or staff guidance to the
> Advisors should be open and transparent and include community
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> I would be satisfied with one CCWG representative acting as a community
> liaison for the session.
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> Thanks,
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> Keith
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> *From:* accountability-cross-community-bounces at icann.org [mailto:
> accountability-cross-community-bounces at icann.org] *On Behalf Of *Adam
> Peake
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 18, 2015 4:55 PM
> *To:* Accountability Cross Community
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> *Subject:* Re: [CCWG-ACCT] CCWG Advisors joining Istanbul meeting
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> Hi everyone,
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> The advisors asked if they could have their own meeting; to get to know
> each other, to help them prepare for the sessions on Monday and Tuesday, to
> consider how they might best support the group while in Istanbul and
> ongoing.  I thought it very reasonable that they should want to do this.  I
> hope it will benefit the CCWG's work in the coming days, and over the next
> few months.
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> Some questions asked:
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> No, ICANN Board members will not join the advisors meeting on Sunday.
> Staff will be there, but to provide support/background.  The purpose of the
> meeting is to allow the advisors to be able to talk about the proposals
> before them from the CCWG, and, I think, essentially to get to know each
> other.
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> We hadn't envisioned opening the meeting to observers.  As it's their
> first opportunity for them to talk, to hold informal discussions, I think
> it perhaps helpful if not open. They are trying to prepare themselves for
> the meetings ahead.
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> Hopefully the Chairs will meet the Advisors later in the day, but this in
> part depends on travel plans.
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> Hope this helps.
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> Best,
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> Adam
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> *From: *Robin Gross <robin at ipjustice.org>
> *Date: *Wednesday, March 18, 2015 at 4:12 PM
> *To: *Accountability Cross Community <
> accountability-cross-community at icann.org>
> *Subject: *Re: [CCWG-ACCT] CCWG Advisors joining Istanbul meeting
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> I share Keith's concern.  Let's remember we are holding ICANN to a high
> standard of transparency in its accountability processes - so of course
> that standard of transparency applies to this work as well.  I planned to
> arrive to Istanbul in time to attend any mtgs on Sunday so would like to
> attend this one as well at least as an observer.
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> On Mar 18, 2015, at 11:37 AM, Drazek, Keith wrote:
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>   Hi Seun,
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> I respectfully disagree.
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> If ICANN staff or Board members are participating in or attending a
> private planning meeting of the Advisors, then community members should
> also be invited to observe, at a minimum.
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> If you look at their agenda items 2-5 (especially 2-3), their private
> meeting will contribute to setting expectations and understanding of the
> issues. Wouldn’t that be best enabled through participation of CCWG
> members, or the Co-Chairs at a minimum?
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> In my opinion, it would be inappropriate for ICANN staff and/or Board
> members to have unique access to the Advisors at this sensitive and
> formative stage in their engagement with the CCWG.
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> Thanks and regards,
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> *From:* Seun Ojedeji [mailto:seun.ojedeji at gmail.com
> <seun.ojedeji at gmail.com>]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 18, 2015 2:19 PM
> *To:* Drazek, Keith
> *Cc:* accountability-cross-community at icann.org; Adam Peake
> *Subject:* Re: [CCWG-ACCT] CCWG Advisors joining Istanbul meeting
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> Hi,
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> While it may be fine to have them meet openly, I don't think it's
> something to worry about. The reason is because of their role being
> advisory; one would expect that whatever they determine would still be
> forwarded to ccwg as an advice to consider.
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> Regards
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> sent from Google nexus 4
> kindly excuse brevity and typos.
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> On 18 Mar 2015 19:09, "Drazek, Keith" <kdrazek at verisign.com> wrote:
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> Hi Adam,
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> Will any ICANN staff or Board members participate in or attend the private
> meeting of the Advisors?
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> Is there a reason their meeting is not open to observers?
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> Thanks,
> Keith
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: accountability-cross-community-bounces at icann.org [mailto:
> accountability-cross-community-bounces at icann.org] On Behalf Of Adam Peake
> Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2015 2:04 PM
> To: accountability-cross-community at icann.org
> Subject: [CCWG-ACCT] CCWG Advisors joining Istanbul meeting
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> Hi everyone,
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> Three of the Advisors will attend the CCWG meeting on Monday and Tuesday
> next week:
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> Valerie D'Costa, Jan Scholte and Lee Bygrave
> (https://community.icann.org/display/acctcrosscomm/Advisors)
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> They arrive on Saturday and will hold their own meeting on Sunday morning
> and early afternoon. At least one other member, Willie Currie, will join
> remote.
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> This is the first time any of them will have had chance to meet face to
> face.  Tentative agenda for their meeting:
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> 09:00 - 15:00 local Istanbul  (07:00 - 13:00 UTC)
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> 1. Introduction & Opening Remarks
> 2. Topics of interest & Concerns
> 3. Understanding the context and recent developments 4. How can we help
> the CCWG?
> 5. Preparing for CCWG session
> 6. A.O.B
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> They will receive the same documents as all members of the CCWG, and we
> suspect their discussions will be shaped by those (WP1, WP2, stress test
> work party outcomes)
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> They will join the welcome cocktail.
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> Best,
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> Adam
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> Adam Peake
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> ICANN
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