[CCWG-ACCT] CCWG Advisors joining Istanbul meeting

Wed Mar 18 21:43:29 UTC 2015

Correction: Ed, Robin & Keith

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From: accountability-cross-community-bounces at icann.org [mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces at icann.org] On Behalf Of Phil Corwin
Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2015 5:41 PM
To: Edward Morris; Adam Peake
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Subject: Re: [CCWG-ACCT] CCWG Advisors joining Istanbul meeting

I concur with the views below from Adam, Robin & Keith.

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From: accountability-cross-community-bounces at icann.org<mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces at icann.org> [mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces at icann.org] On Behalf Of Edward Morris
Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2015 5:21 PM
To: Adam Peake
Cc: Accountability Cross Community
Subject: Re: [CCWG-ACCT] CCWG Advisors joining Istanbul meeting

HI Adam,

I'd suggest that staff should not be the ones providing "background" to the experts, assuming "background" includes interpretation of substantive subject matter.

Ed

On Wed, Mar 18, 2015 at 8:54 PM, Adam Peake <adam.peake at icann.org<mailto:adam.peake at icann.org>> wrote:
Hi everyone,

The advisors asked if they could have their own meeting; to get to know each other, to help them prepare for the sessions on Monday and Tuesday, to consider how they might best support the group while in Istanbul and ongoing.  I thought it very reasonable that they should want to do this.  I hope it will benefit the CCWG's work in the coming days, and over the next few months.

Some questions asked:

No, ICANN Board members will not join the advisors meeting on Sunday.  Staff will be there, but to provide support/background.  The purpose of the meeting is to allow the advisors to be able to talk about the proposals before them from the CCWG, and, I think, essentially to get to know each other.

We hadn't envisioned opening the meeting to observers.  As it's their first opportunity for them to talk, to hold informal discussions, I think it perhaps helpful if not open. They are trying to prepare themselves for the meetings ahead.

Hopefully the Chairs will meet the Advisors later in the day, but this in part depends on travel plans.

Hope this helps.

Best,

Adam

From: Robin Gross <robin at ipjustice.org<mailto:robin at ipjustice.org>>
Date: Wednesday, March 18, 2015 at 4:12 PM
To: Accountability Cross Community <accountability-cross-community at icann.org<mailto:accountability-cross-community at icann.org>>
Subject: Re: [CCWG-ACCT] CCWG Advisors joining Istanbul meeting

I share Keith's concern.  Let's remember we are holding ICANN to a high standard of transparency in its accountability processes - so of course that standard of transparency applies to this work as well.  I planned to arrive to Istanbul in time to attend any mtgs on Sunday so would like to attend this one as well at least as an observer.

Thanks,
Robin

On Mar 18, 2015, at 11:37 AM, Drazek, Keith wrote:

Hi Seun,

I respectfully disagree.

If ICANN staff or Board members are participating in or attending a private planning meeting of the Advisors, then community members should also be invited to observe, at a minimum.

If you look at their agenda items 2-5 (especially 2-3), their private meeting will contribute to setting expectations and understanding of the issues. Wouldn’t that be best enabled through participation of CCWG members, or the Co-Chairs at a minimum?

In my opinion, it would be inappropriate for ICANN staff and/or Board members to have unique access to the Advisors at this sensitive and formative stage in their engagement with the CCWG.

Thanks and regards,
Keith

From: Seun Ojedeji [mailto:seun.ojedeji at gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2015 2:19 PM
To: Drazek, Keith
Cc: accountability-cross-community at icann.org<mailto:accountability-cross-community at icann.org>; Adam Peake
Subject: Re: [CCWG-ACCT] CCWG Advisors joining Istanbul meeting

Hi,

While it may be fine to have them meet openly, I don't think it's something to worry about. The reason is because of their role being advisory; one would expect that whatever they determine would still be forwarded to ccwg as an advice to consider.

Regards

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On 18 Mar 2015 19:09, "Drazek, Keith" <kdrazek at verisign.com<mailto:kdrazek at verisign.com>> wrote:
Hi Adam,

Will any ICANN staff or Board members participate in or attend the private meeting of the Advisors?

Is there a reason their meeting is not open to observers?

Thanks,
Keith

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From: accountability-cross-community-bounces at icann.org<mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces at icann.org> [mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces at icann.org<mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces at icann.org>] On Behalf Of Adam Peake
Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2015 2:04 PM
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Subject: [CCWG-ACCT] CCWG Advisors joining Istanbul meeting

Hi everyone,

Three of the Advisors will attend the CCWG meeting on Monday and Tuesday next week:

Valerie D'Costa, Jan Scholte and Lee Bygrave
(https://community.icann.org/display/acctcrosscomm/Advisors)

They arrive on Saturday and will hold their own meeting on Sunday morning and early afternoon. At least one other member, Willie Currie, will join remote.

This is the first time any of them will have had chance to meet face to face.  Tentative agenda for their meeting:

09:00 - 15:00 local Istanbul  (07:00 - 13:00 UTC)

1. Introduction & Opening Remarks
2. Topics of interest & Concerns
3. Understanding the context and recent developments 4. How can we help the CCWG?
5. Preparing for CCWG session
6. A.O.B

They will receive the same documents as all members of the CCWG, and we suspect their discussions will be shaped by those (WP1, WP2, stress test work party outcomes)

They will join the welcome cocktail.

Best,

Adam

Adam Peake

ICANN

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