[CCWG-ACCT] CCWG Advisors joining Istanbul meeting

Wed Mar 18 21:43:44 UTC 2015

I second Keiths proposal

We have a very strong CCWG team and it would help the advisors to get up to speed 

Carlos Raúl Gutiérrez
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> El mar 18, 2015, a las 15:16, Drazek, Keith <kdrazek at verisign.com> escribió:
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> Thanks Adam.
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> For the record, I don’t have a problem with the Advisors meeting together in a private session so they can get to know one another.
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> However, as I’ve previously noted, I do have a problem with ICANN staff providing “support/background” for the Advisors meeting without anyone from the CCWG able to observe.  It appears I’m not the only CCWG participant who shares these concerns.
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> Any substantive discussions, preparatory work or staff guidance to the Advisors should be open and transparent and include community representatives.
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> I would be satisfied with one CCWG representative acting as a community liaison for the session.
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> Thanks,
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> From: accountability-cross-community-bounces at icann.org [mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces at icann.org] On Behalf Of Adam Peake
> Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2015 4:55 PM
> To: Accountability Cross Community
> Subject: Re: [CCWG-ACCT] CCWG Advisors joining Istanbul meeting
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> Hi everyone,
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> The advisors asked if they could have their own meeting; to get to know each other, to help them prepare for the sessions on Monday and Tuesday, to consider how they might best support the group while in Istanbul and ongoing.  I thought it very reasonable that they should want to do this.  I hope it will benefit the CCWG's work in the coming days, and over the next few months.
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> Some questions asked:
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> No, ICANN Board members will not join the advisors meeting on Sunday.  Staff will be there, but to provide support/background.  The purpose of the meeting is to allow the advisors to be able to talk about the proposals before them from the CCWG, and, I think, essentially to get to know each other.  
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> We hadn't envisioned opening the meeting to observers.  As it's their first opportunity for them to talk, to hold informal discussions, I think it perhaps helpful if not open. They are trying to prepare themselves for the meetings ahead. 
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> Hopefully the Chairs will meet the Advisors later in the day, but this in part depends on travel plans.  
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> Hope this helps.
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> Best,
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> Adam
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> From: Robin Gross <robin at ipjustice.org>
> Date: Wednesday, March 18, 2015 at 4:12 PM
> To: Accountability Cross Community <accountability-cross-community at icann.org>
> Subject: Re: [CCWG-ACCT] CCWG Advisors joining Istanbul meeting
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> I share Keith's concern.  Let's remember we are holding ICANN to a high standard of transparency in its accountability processes - so of course that standard of transparency applies to this work as well.  I planned to arrive to Istanbul in time to attend any mtgs on Sunday so would like to attend this one as well at least as an observer.
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> On Mar 18, 2015, at 11:37 AM, Drazek, Keith wrote:
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> Hi Seun,
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> I respectfully disagree.
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> If ICANN staff or Board members are participating in or attending a private planning meeting of the Advisors, then community members should also be invited to observe, at a minimum.
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> If you look at their agenda items 2-5 (especially 2-3), their private meeting will contribute to setting expectations and understanding of the issues. Wouldn’t that be best enabled through participation of CCWG members, or the Co-Chairs at a minimum?
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> In my opinion, it would be inappropriate for ICANN staff and/or Board members to have unique access to the Advisors at this sensitive and formative stage in their engagement with the CCWG.
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> Thanks and regards,
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> From: Seun Ojedeji [mailto:seun.ojedeji at gmail.com] 
> Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2015 2:19 PM
> To: Drazek, Keith
> Cc: accountability-cross-community at icann.org; Adam Peake
> Subject: Re: [CCWG-ACCT] CCWG Advisors joining Istanbul meeting
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> Hi,
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> While it may be fine to have them meet openly, I don't think it's something to worry about. The reason is because of their role being advisory; one would expect that whatever they determine would still be forwarded to ccwg as an advice to consider.
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> Regards
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> sent from Google nexus 4
> kindly excuse brevity and typos.
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> On 18 Mar 2015 19:09, "Drazek, Keith" <kdrazek at verisign.com> wrote:
> Hi Adam,
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> Will any ICANN staff or Board members participate in or attend the private meeting of the Advisors?
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> Is there a reason their meeting is not open to observers?
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> Thanks,
> Keith
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: accountability-cross-community-bounces at icann.org [mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces at icann.org] On Behalf Of Adam Peake
> Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2015 2:04 PM
> To: accountability-cross-community at icann.org
> Subject: [CCWG-ACCT] CCWG Advisors joining Istanbul meeting
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> Hi everyone,
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> Three of the Advisors will attend the CCWG meeting on Monday and Tuesday next week:
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> Valerie D'Costa, Jan Scholte and Lee Bygrave
> (https://community.icann.org/display/acctcrosscomm/Advisors)
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> They arrive on Saturday and will hold their own meeting on Sunday morning and early afternoon. At least one other member, Willie Currie, will join remote.
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> This is the first time any of them will have had chance to meet face to face.  Tentative agenda for their meeting:
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> 09:00 - 15:00 local Istanbul  (07:00 - 13:00 UTC)
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> 1. Introduction & Opening Remarks
> 2. Topics of interest & Concerns
> 3. Understanding the context and recent developments 4. How can we help the CCWG?
> 5. Preparing for CCWG session
> 6. A.O.B
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> They will receive the same documents as all members of the CCWG, and we suspect their discussions will be shaped by those (WP1, WP2, stress test work party outcomes)
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> They will join the welcome cocktail.
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> Best,
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> Adam
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> Adam Peake
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> ICANN
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