[CCWG-ACCT] CCWG Advisors joining Istanbul meeting

Wed Mar 18 23:25:23 UTC 2015

All: I see the utility of the advisors having a meeting on their own, but
agree with the perception issue created if staff are briefing them or
providing background absent CCWG members.

Can I suggest that the best way to do this would be for one of the
co-chairs to be in the room with the advisors when staff are there, for the
relevant section of the meeting?

I don't have any view at this stage about the need for that part of the
meeting to be open to observers etc - it doesn't sound like a bad idea or a
problem to me per se to have that bit open. Open tho doesn't to me imply
remote participation etc at this point.

Cheers
Jordan

On 19 March 2015 at 10:43, Phil Corwin <psc at vlaw-dc.com> wrote:

>  Correction: Ed, Robin & Keith
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> <accountability-cross-community-bounces at icann.org>] *On Behalf Of *Edward
> Morris
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 18, 2015 5:21 PM
> *To:* Adam Peake
> *Cc:* Accountability Cross Community
> *Subject:* Re: [CCWG-ACCT] CCWG Advisors joining Istanbul meeting
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> HI Adam,
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> I'd suggest that staff should not be the ones providing "background" to
> the experts, assuming "background" includes interpretation of substantive
> subject matter.
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> Ed
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> On Wed, Mar 18, 2015 at 8:54 PM, Adam Peake <adam.peake at icann.org> wrote:
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> Hi everyone,
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> The advisors asked if they could have their own meeting; to get to know
> each other, to help them prepare for the sessions on Monday and Tuesday, to
> consider how they might best support the group while in Istanbul and
> ongoing.  I thought it very reasonable that they should want to do this.  I
> hope it will benefit the CCWG's work in the coming days, and over the next
> few months.
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> Some questions asked:
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> No, ICANN Board members will not join the advisors meeting on Sunday.
> Staff will be there, but to provide support/background.  The purpose of the
> meeting is to allow the advisors to be able to talk about the proposals
> before them from the CCWG, and, I think, essentially to get to know each
> other.
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> We hadn't envisioned opening the meeting to observers.  As it's their
> first opportunity for them to talk, to hold informal discussions, I think
> it perhaps helpful if not open. They are trying to prepare themselves for
> the meetings ahead.
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> Hopefully the Chairs will meet the Advisors later in the day, but this in
> part depends on travel plans.
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> Hope this helps.
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> Best,
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> Adam
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> *From: *Robin Gross <robin at ipjustice.org>
> *Date: *Wednesday, March 18, 2015 at 4:12 PM
> *To: *Accountability Cross Community <
> accountability-cross-community at icann.org>
> *Subject: *Re: [CCWG-ACCT] CCWG Advisors joining Istanbul meeting
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> I share Keith's concern.  Let's remember we are holding ICANN to a high
> standard of transparency in its accountability processes - so of course
> that standard of transparency applies to this work as well.  I planned to
> arrive to Istanbul in time to attend any mtgs on Sunday so would like to
> attend this one as well at least as an observer.
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> Thanks,
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> Robin
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> On Mar 18, 2015, at 11:37 AM, Drazek, Keith wrote:
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> Hi Seun,
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> I respectfully disagree.
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> If ICANN staff or Board members are participating in or attending a
> private planning meeting of the Advisors, then community members should
> also be invited to observe, at a minimum.
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> If you look at their agenda items 2-5 (especially 2-3), their private
> meeting will contribute to setting expectations and understanding of the
> issues. Wouldn't that be best enabled through participation of CCWG
> members, or the Co-Chairs at a minimum?
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> In my opinion, it would be inappropriate for ICANN staff and/or Board
> members to have unique access to the Advisors at this sensitive and
> formative stage in their engagement with the CCWG.
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> Thanks and regards,
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> Keith
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> *From:* Seun Ojedeji [mailto:seun.ojedeji at gmail.com
> <seun.ojedeji at gmail.com>]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 18, 2015 2:19 PM
> *To:* Drazek, Keith
> *Cc:* accountability-cross-community at icann.org; Adam Peake
> *Subject:* Re: [CCWG-ACCT] CCWG Advisors joining Istanbul meeting
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> Hi,
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> While it may be fine to have them meet openly, I don't think it's
> something to worry about. The reason is because of their role being
> advisory; one would expect that whatever they determine would still be
> forwarded to ccwg as an advice to consider.
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> Regards
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> sent from Google nexus 4
> kindly excuse brevity and typos.
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> On 18 Mar 2015 19:09, "Drazek, Keith" <kdrazek at verisign.com> wrote:
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> Hi Adam,
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> Will any ICANN staff or Board members participate in or attend the private
> meeting of the Advisors?
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> Is there a reason their meeting is not open to observers?
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> Thanks,
> Keith
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: accountability-cross-community-bounces at icann.org [mailto:
> accountability-cross-community-bounces at icann.org] On Behalf Of Adam Peake
> Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2015 2:04 PM
> To: accountability-cross-community at icann.org
> Subject: [CCWG-ACCT] CCWG Advisors joining Istanbul meeting
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> Hi everyone,
>
> Three of the Advisors will attend the CCWG meeting on Monday and Tuesday
> next week:
>
> Valerie D'Costa, Jan Scholte and Lee Bygrave
> (https://community.icann.org/display/acctcrosscomm/Advisors)
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> They arrive on Saturday and will hold their own meeting on Sunday morning
> and early afternoon. At least one other member, Willie Currie, will join
> remote.
>
> This is the first time any of them will have had chance to meet face to
> face.  Tentative agenda for their meeting:
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> 09:00 - 15:00 local Istanbul  (07:00 - 13:00 UTC)
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> 1. Introduction & Opening Remarks
> 2. Topics of interest & Concerns
> 3. Understanding the context and recent developments 4. How can we help
> the CCWG?
> 5. Preparing for CCWG session
> 6. A.O.B
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> They will receive the same documents as all members of the CCWG, and we
> suspect their discussions will be shaped by those (WP1, WP2, stress test
> work party outcomes)
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> They will join the welcome cocktail.
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> Best,
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> Adam
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> Adam Peake
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