[CCWG-ACCT] CCWG Advisors joining Istanbul meeting
Adam Peake
adam.peake at icann.org
Thu Mar 19 00:27:27 UTC 2015
Hi everyone,
I understand your concerns. We are working on a solution and will let you
know shortly.
Thank you for your understanding.
Best,
Adam
From: Jordan Carter <jordan at internetnz.net.nz>
Date: Wednesday, March 18, 2015 at 7:25 PM
To: Phil Corwin <psc at vlaw-dc.com>
Cc: Edward Morris <egmorris1 at toast.net>, Adam Peake <adam.peake at icann.org>,
Accountability Cross Community <accountability-cross-community at icann.org>
Subject: Re: [CCWG-ACCT] CCWG Advisors joining Istanbul meeting
All: I see the utility of the advisors having a meeting on their own, but
agree with the perception issue created if staff are briefing them or
providing background absent CCWG members.
Can I suggest that the best way to do this would be for one of the co-chairs
to be in the room with the advisors when staff are there, for the relevant
section of the meeting?
I don't have any view at this stage about the need for that part of the
meeting to be open to observers etc - it doesn't sound like a bad idea or a
problem to me per se to have that bit open. Open tho doesn't to me imply
remote participation etc at this point.
Cheers
Jordan
On 19 March 2015 at 10:43, Phil Corwin <psc at vlaw-dc.com> wrote:
> Correction: Ed, Robin & Keith
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> Corwin
> Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2015 5:41 PM
> To: Edward Morris; Adam Peake
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> Cc: Accountability Cross Community
> Subject: Re: [CCWG-ACCT] CCWG Advisors joining Istanbul meeting
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> I concur with the views below from Adam, Robin & Keith.
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> From: accountability-cross-community-bounces at icann.org
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> [mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces at icann.org] On Behalf Of Edward
> Morris
> Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2015 5:21 PM
> To: Adam Peake
> Cc: Accountability Cross Community
> Subject: Re: [CCWG-ACCT] CCWG Advisors joining Istanbul meeting
>
>
> HI Adam,
>
>
>
> I'd suggest that staff should not be the ones providing "background" to the
> experts, assuming "background" includes interpretation of substantive subject
> matter.
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>
>
> Ed
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>
> On Wed, Mar 18, 2015 at 8:54 PM, Adam Peake <adam.peake at icann.org> wrote:
>
> Hi everyone,
>
>
>
> The advisors asked if they could have their own meeting; to get to know each
> other, to help them prepare for the sessions on Monday and Tuesday, to
> consider how they might best support the group while in Istanbul and ongoing.
> I thought it very reasonable that they should want to do this. I hope it will
> benefit the CCWG's work in the coming days, and over the next few months.
>
>
>
> Some questions asked:
>
>
>
> No, ICANN Board members will not join the advisors meeting on Sunday. Staff
> will be there, but to provide support/background. The purpose of the meeting
> is to allow the advisors to be able to talk about the proposals before them
> from the CCWG, and, I think, essentially to get to know each other.
>
>
> We hadn't envisioned opening the meeting to observers. As it's their first
> opportunity for them to talk, to hold informal discussions, I think it perhaps
> helpful if not open. They are trying to prepare themselves for the meetings
> ahead.
>
>
>
> Hopefully the Chairs will meet the Advisors later in the day, but this in part
> depends on travel plans.
>
>
>
> Hope this helps.
>
>
>
> Best,
>
>
>
> Adam
>
>
>
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>
>
> From: Robin Gross <robin at ipjustice.org>
> Date: Wednesday, March 18, 2015 at 4:12 PM
> To: Accountability Cross Community <accountability-cross-community at icann.org>
> Subject: Re: [CCWG-ACCT] CCWG Advisors joining Istanbul meeting
>
>
>
> I share Keith's concern. Let's remember we are holding ICANN to a high
> standard of transparency in its accountability processes - so of course that
> standard of transparency applies to this work as well. I planned to arrive to
> Istanbul in time to attend any mtgs on Sunday so would like to attend this one
> as well at least as an observer.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Robin
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>
> On Mar 18, 2015, at 11:37 AM, Drazek, Keith wrote:
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>
> Hi Seun,
>
>
>
> I respectfully disagree.
>
>
>
> If ICANN staff or Board members are participating in or attending a private
> planning meeting of the Advisors, then community members should also be
> invited to observe, at a minimum.
>
>
>
> If you look at their agenda items 2-5 (especially 2-3), their private meeting
> will contribute to setting expectations and understanding of the issues.
> Wouldn¹t that be best enabled through participation of CCWG members, or the
> Co-Chairs at a minimum?
>
>
>
> In my opinion, it would be inappropriate for ICANN staff and/or Board members
> to have unique access to the Advisors at this sensitive and formative stage in
> their engagement with the CCWG.
>
>
>
> Thanks and regards,
>
> Keith
>
>
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> From: Seun Ojedeji [mailto:seun.ojedeji at gmail.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2015 2:19 PM
> To: Drazek, Keith
> Cc: accountability-cross-community at icann.org; Adam Peake
> Subject: Re: [CCWG-ACCT] CCWG Advisors joining Istanbul meeting
>
>
> Hi,
>
> While it may be fine to have them meet openly, I don't think it's something to
> worry about. The reason is because of their role being advisory; one would
> expect that whatever they determine would still be forwarded to ccwg as an
> advice to consider.
>
> Regards
>
> sent from Google nexus 4
> kindly excuse brevity and typos.
>
> On 18 Mar 2015 19:09, "Drazek, Keith" <kdrazek at verisign.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Adam,
>
> Will any ICANN staff or Board members participate in or attend the private
> meeting of the Advisors?
>
> Is there a reason their meeting is not open to observers?
>
> Thanks,
> Keith
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accountability-cross-community-bounces at icann.org
> [mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces at icann.org] On Behalf Of Adam
> Peake
> Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2015 2:04 PM
> To: accountability-cross-community at icann.org
> Subject: [CCWG-ACCT] CCWG Advisors joining Istanbul meeting
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> Three of the Advisors will attend the CCWG meeting on Monday and Tuesday next
> week:
>
> Valerie D'Costa, Jan Scholte and Lee Bygrave
> (https://community.icann.org/display/acctcrosscomm/Advisors)
>
> They arrive on Saturday and will hold their own meeting on Sunday morning and
> early afternoon. At least one other member, Willie Currie, will join remote.
>
> This is the first time any of them will have had chance to meet face to face.
> Tentative agenda for their meeting:
>
> 09:00 - 15:00 local Istanbul (07:00 - 13:00 UTC)
>
> 1. Introduction & Opening Remarks
> 2. Topics of interest & Concerns
> 3. Understanding the context and recent developments 4. How can we help the
> CCWG?
> 5. Preparing for CCWG session
> 6. A.O.B
>
> They will receive the same documents as all members of the CCWG, and we
> suspect their discussions will be shaped by those (WP1, WP2, stress test work
> party outcomes)
>
> They will join the welcome cocktail.
>
> Best,
>
> Adam
>
> Adam Peake
>
> ICANN
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