[CCWG-ACCT] CCWG Advisors joining Istanbul meeting
Adam Peake
adam.peake at icann.org
Thu Mar 19 13:18:24 UTC 2015
Hi everyone,
Replies received from the Advisors, they understand the communities's
concerns and are happy for their meeting on Sunday 22 March to be open to
observers.
Staff will provide room details, etc, in due course.
Thanks for you patience.
Best,
Adam
From: Adam Peake <adam.peake at icann.org>
Date: Wednesday, March 18, 2015 at 8:27 PM
To: Jordan Carter <jordan at internetnz.net.nz>
Cc: Accountability Cross Community
<accountability-cross-community at icann.org>
Subject: Re: [CCWG-ACCT] CCWG Advisors joining Istanbul meeting
Hi everyone,
I understand your concerns. We are working on a solution and will let you
know shortly.
Thank you for your understanding.
Best,
Adam
From: Jordan Carter <jordan at internetnz.net.nz>
Date: Wednesday, March 18, 2015 at 7:25 PM
To: Phil Corwin <psc at vlaw-dc.com>
Cc: Edward Morris <egmorris1 at toast.net>, Adam Peake <adam.peake at icann.org>,
Accountability Cross Community <accountability-cross-community at icann.org>
Subject: Re: [CCWG-ACCT] CCWG Advisors joining Istanbul meeting
All: I see the utility of the advisors having a meeting on their own, but
agree with the perception issue created if staff are briefing them or
providing background absent CCWG members.
Can I suggest that the best way to do this would be for one of the co-chairs
to be in the room with the advisors when staff are there, for the relevant
section of the meeting?
I don't have any view at this stage about the need for that part of the
meeting to be open to observers etc - it doesn't sound like a bad idea or a
problem to me per se to have that bit open. Open tho doesn't to me imply
remote participation etc at this point.
Cheers
Jordan
On 19 March 2015 at 10:43, Phil Corwin <psc at vlaw-dc.com> wrote:
> Correction: Ed, Robin & Keith
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> [mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces at icann.org] On Behalf Of Phil
> Corwin
> Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2015 5:41 PM
> To: Edward Morris; Adam Peake
>
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> Cc: Accountability Cross Community
> Subject: Re: [CCWG-ACCT] CCWG Advisors joining Istanbul meeting
>
> I concur with the views below from Adam, Robin & Keith.
>
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> From: accountability-cross-community-bounces at icann.org
> <mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces at icann.org>
> [mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces at icann.org] On Behalf Of Edward
> Morris
> Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2015 5:21 PM
> To: Adam Peake
> Cc: Accountability Cross Community
> Subject: Re: [CCWG-ACCT] CCWG Advisors joining Istanbul meeting
>
>
> HI Adam,
>
>
>
> I'd suggest that staff should not be the ones providing "background" to the
> experts, assuming "background" includes interpretation of substantive subject
> matter.
>
>
>
> Ed
>
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 18, 2015 at 8:54 PM, Adam Peake <adam.peake at icann.org> wrote:
>
> Hi everyone,
>
>
>
> The advisors asked if they could have their own meeting; to get to know each
> other, to help them prepare for the sessions on Monday and Tuesday, to
> consider how they might best support the group while in Istanbul and ongoing.
> I thought it very reasonable that they should want to do this. I hope it will
> benefit the CCWG's work in the coming days, and over the next few months.
>
>
>
> Some questions asked:
>
>
>
> No, ICANN Board members will not join the advisors meeting on Sunday. Staff
> will be there, but to provide support/background. The purpose of the meeting
> is to allow the advisors to be able to talk about the proposals before them
> from the CCWG, and, I think, essentially to get to know each other.
>
>
> We hadn't envisioned opening the meeting to observers. As it's their first
> opportunity for them to talk, to hold informal discussions, I think it perhaps
> helpful if not open. They are trying to prepare themselves for the meetings
> ahead.
>
>
>
> Hopefully the Chairs will meet the Advisors later in the day, but this in part
> depends on travel plans.
>
>
>
> Hope this helps.
>
>
>
> Best,
>
>
>
> Adam
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> From: Robin Gross <robin at ipjustice.org>
> Date: Wednesday, March 18, 2015 at 4:12 PM
> To: Accountability Cross Community <accountability-cross-community at icann.org>
> Subject: Re: [CCWG-ACCT] CCWG Advisors joining Istanbul meeting
>
>
>
> I share Keith's concern. Let's remember we are holding ICANN to a high
> standard of transparency in its accountability processes - so of course that
> standard of transparency applies to this work as well. I planned to arrive to
> Istanbul in time to attend any mtgs on Sunday so would like to attend this one
> as well at least as an observer.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Robin
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mar 18, 2015, at 11:37 AM, Drazek, Keith wrote:
>
>
> Hi Seun,
>
>
>
> I respectfully disagree.
>
>
>
> If ICANN staff or Board members are participating in or attending a private
> planning meeting of the Advisors, then community members should also be
> invited to observe, at a minimum.
>
>
>
> If you look at their agenda items 2-5 (especially 2-3), their private meeting
> will contribute to setting expectations and understanding of the issues.
> Wouldn¹t that be best enabled through participation of CCWG members, or the
> Co-Chairs at a minimum?
>
>
>
> In my opinion, it would be inappropriate for ICANN staff and/or Board members
> to have unique access to the Advisors at this sensitive and formative stage in
> their engagement with the CCWG.
>
>
>
> Thanks and regards,
>
> Keith
>
>
>
>
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>
>
> From: Seun Ojedeji [mailto:seun.ojedeji at gmail.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2015 2:19 PM
> To: Drazek, Keith
> Cc: accountability-cross-community at icann.org; Adam Peake
> Subject: Re: [CCWG-ACCT] CCWG Advisors joining Istanbul meeting
>
>
> Hi,
>
> While it may be fine to have them meet openly, I don't think it's something to
> worry about. The reason is because of their role being advisory; one would
> expect that whatever they determine would still be forwarded to ccwg as an
> advice to consider.
>
> Regards
>
> sent from Google nexus 4
> kindly excuse brevity and typos.
>
> On 18 Mar 2015 19:09, "Drazek, Keith" <kdrazek at verisign.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Adam,
>
> Will any ICANN staff or Board members participate in or attend the private
> meeting of the Advisors?
>
> Is there a reason their meeting is not open to observers?
>
> Thanks,
> Keith
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accountability-cross-community-bounces at icann.org
> [mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces at icann.org] On Behalf Of Adam
> Peake
> Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2015 2:04 PM
> To: accountability-cross-community at icann.org
> Subject: [CCWG-ACCT] CCWG Advisors joining Istanbul meeting
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> Three of the Advisors will attend the CCWG meeting on Monday and Tuesday next
> week:
>
> Valerie D'Costa, Jan Scholte and Lee Bygrave
> (https://community.icann.org/display/acctcrosscomm/Advisors)
>
> They arrive on Saturday and will hold their own meeting on Sunday morning and
> early afternoon. At least one other member, Willie Currie, will join remote.
>
> This is the first time any of them will have had chance to meet face to face.
> Tentative agenda for their meeting:
>
> 09:00 - 15:00 local Istanbul (07:00 - 13:00 UTC)
>
> 1. Introduction & Opening Remarks
> 2. Topics of interest & Concerns
> 3. Understanding the context and recent developments 4. How can we help the
> CCWG?
> 5. Preparing for CCWG session
> 6. A.O.B
>
> They will receive the same documents as all members of the CCWG, and we
> suspect their discussions will be shaped by those (WP1, WP2, stress test work
> party outcomes)
>
> They will join the welcome cocktail.
>
> Best,
>
> Adam
>
> Adam Peake
>
> ICANN
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