[CCWG-ACCT] CCWG Advisors joining Istanbul meeting
Edward Morris
egmorris1 at toast.net
Thu Mar 19 13:49:55 UTC 2015
Thanks Adam.
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> On Mar 19, 2015, at 1:18 PM, Adam Peake <adam.peake at icann.org> wrote:
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> Hi everyone,
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> Replies received from the Advisors, they understand the communities's concerns and are happy for their meeting on Sunday 22 March to be open to observers.
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> Staff will provide room details, etc, in due course.
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> Thanks for you patience.
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> Best,
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> Adam
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> From: Adam Peake <adam.peake at icann.org>
> Date: Wednesday, March 18, 2015 at 8:27 PM
> To: Jordan Carter <jordan at internetnz.net.nz>
> Cc: Accountability Cross Community <accountability-cross-community at icann.org>
> Subject: Re: [CCWG-ACCT] CCWG Advisors joining Istanbul meeting
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> Hi everyone,
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> I understand your concerns. We are working on a solution and will let you know shortly.
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> Thank you for your understanding.
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> Best,
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> Adam
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> From: Jordan Carter <jordan at internetnz.net.nz>
> Date: Wednesday, March 18, 2015 at 7:25 PM
> To: Phil Corwin <psc at vlaw-dc.com>
> Cc: Edward Morris <egmorris1 at toast.net>, Adam Peake <adam.peake at icann.org>, Accountability Cross Community <accountability-cross-community at icann.org>
> Subject: Re: [CCWG-ACCT] CCWG Advisors joining Istanbul meeting
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> All: I see the utility of the advisors having a meeting on their own, but agree with the perception issue created if staff are briefing them or providing background absent CCWG members.
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> Can I suggest that the best way to do this would be for one of the co-chairs to be in the room with the advisors when staff are there, for the relevant section of the meeting?
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> I don't have any view at this stage about the need for that part of the meeting to be open to observers etc - it doesn't sound like a bad idea or a problem to me per se to have that bit open. Open tho doesn't to me imply remote participation etc at this point.
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> Cheers
> Jordan
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>> On 19 March 2015 at 10:43, Phil Corwin <psc at vlaw-dc.com> wrote:
>> Correction: Ed, Robin & Keith
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>> From: accountability-cross-community-bounces at icann.org [mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces at icann.org] On Behalf Of Phil Corwin
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2015 5:41 PM
>> To: Edward Morris; Adam Peake
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>> Cc: Accountability Cross Community
>> Subject: Re: [CCWG-ACCT] CCWG Advisors joining Istanbul meeting
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>> I concur with the views below from Adam, Robin & Keith.
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>> From: accountability-cross-community-bounces at icann.org [mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces at icann.org] On Behalf Of Edward Morris
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2015 5:21 PM
>> To: Adam Peake
>> Cc: Accountability Cross Community
>> Subject: Re: [CCWG-ACCT] CCWG Advisors joining Istanbul meeting
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>> HI Adam,
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>> I'd suggest that staff should not be the ones providing "background" to the experts, assuming "background" includes interpretation of substantive subject matter.
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>> Ed
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>> On Wed, Mar 18, 2015 at 8:54 PM, Adam Peake <adam.peake at icann.org> wrote:
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>> Hi everyone,
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>> The advisors asked if they could have their own meeting; to get to know each other, to help them prepare for the sessions on Monday and Tuesday, to consider how they might best support the group while in Istanbul and ongoing. I thought it very reasonable that they should want to do this. I hope it will benefit the CCWG's work in the coming days, and over the next few months.
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>> Some questions asked:
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>> No, ICANN Board members will not join the advisors meeting on Sunday. Staff will be there, but to provide support/background. The purpose of the meeting is to allow the advisors to be able to talk about the proposals before them from the CCWG, and, I think, essentially to get to know each other.
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>> We hadn't envisioned opening the meeting to observers. As it's their first opportunity for them to talk, to hold informal discussions, I think it perhaps helpful if not open. They are trying to prepare themselves for the meetings ahead.
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>> Hopefully the Chairs will meet the Advisors later in the day, but this in part depends on travel plans.
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>> Hope this helps.
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>> Best,
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>> Adam
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>> From: Robin Gross <robin at ipjustice.org>
>> Date: Wednesday, March 18, 2015 at 4:12 PM
>> To: Accountability Cross Community <accountability-cross-community at icann.org>
>> Subject: Re: [CCWG-ACCT] CCWG Advisors joining Istanbul meeting
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>> I share Keith's concern. Let's remember we are holding ICANN to a high standard of transparency in its accountability processes - so of course that standard of transparency applies to this work as well. I planned to arrive to Istanbul in time to attend any mtgs on Sunday so would like to attend this one as well at least as an observer.
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>> Thanks,
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>> Robin
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>> On Mar 18, 2015, at 11:37 AM, Drazek, Keith wrote:
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>> Hi Seun,
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>> I respectfully disagree.
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>> If ICANN staff or Board members are participating in or attending a private planning meeting of the Advisors, then community members should also be invited to observe, at a minimum.
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>> If you look at their agenda items 2-5 (especially 2-3), their private meeting will contribute to setting expectations and understanding of the issues. Wouldn’t that be best enabled through participation of CCWG members, or the Co-Chairs at a minimum?
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>> In my opinion, it would be inappropriate for ICANN staff and/or Board members to have unique access to the Advisors at this sensitive and formative stage in their engagement with the CCWG.
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>> Thanks and regards,
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>> Keith
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>> From: Seun Ojedeji [mailto:seun.ojedeji at gmail.com]
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2015 2:19 PM
>> To: Drazek, Keith
>> Cc: accountability-cross-community at icann.org; Adam Peake
>> Subject: Re: [CCWG-ACCT] CCWG Advisors joining Istanbul meeting
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>> Hi,
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>> While it may be fine to have them meet openly, I don't think it's something to worry about. The reason is because of their role being advisory; one would expect that whatever they determine would still be forwarded to ccwg as an advice to consider.
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>> Regards
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>> kindly excuse brevity and typos.
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>> On 18 Mar 2015 19:09, "Drazek, Keith" <kdrazek at verisign.com> wrote:
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>> Hi Adam,
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>> Will any ICANN staff or Board members participate in or attend the private meeting of the Advisors?
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>> Is there a reason their meeting is not open to observers?
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>> Thanks,
>> Keith
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accountability-cross-community-bounces at icann.org [mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces at icann.org] On Behalf Of Adam Peake
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2015 2:04 PM
>> To: accountability-cross-community at icann.org
>> Subject: [CCWG-ACCT] CCWG Advisors joining Istanbul meeting
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>> Hi everyone,
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>> Three of the Advisors will attend the CCWG meeting on Monday and Tuesday next week:
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>> Valerie D'Costa, Jan Scholte and Lee Bygrave
>> (https://community.icann.org/display/acctcrosscomm/Advisors)
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>> They arrive on Saturday and will hold their own meeting on Sunday morning and early afternoon. At least one other member, Willie Currie, will join remote.
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>> This is the first time any of them will have had chance to meet face to face. Tentative agenda for their meeting:
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>> 09:00 - 15:00 local Istanbul (07:00 - 13:00 UTC)
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>> 1. Introduction & Opening Remarks
>> 2. Topics of interest & Concerns
>> 3. Understanding the context and recent developments 4. How can we help the CCWG?
>> 5. Preparing for CCWG session
>> 6. A.O.B
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>> They will receive the same documents as all members of the CCWG, and we suspect their discussions will be shaped by those (WP1, WP2, stress test work party outcomes)
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>> They will join the welcome cocktail.
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>> Best,
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>> Adam
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>> Adam Peake
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