[CCWG-ACCT] [Acct-Staff] Legal sub-team update
Carrie Devorah
carriedev at gmail.com
Thu Mar 26 14:25:32 UTC 2015
Here is a POV to consider when writing the words "Legal Advice"
I was researching joker.com.
Here is their TOS page hyperlink
https://joker.com/index.joker?mode=page&page=terms_cond
Read the general terms for joker.com
Click on individual hyperlinks, one for each suffix that joker.com has
involvement with. Read a hyperlink.
To my way of seeing things there is no way a legal consultant can be worth
their contribution unless they look at this the Consumers end of this thing
called ICANN
Your thoughts are welcome, Dr.
Carrie Devorah
www.centerforcopyrightintegrity.com
On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 9:27 AM, Greg Shatan <gregshatanipc at gmail.com>
wrote:
> Thank you, Seun. That is exactly correct. The Legal Subteam is a conduit
> for information. Any decisions will be made by the full CCWG. Further, I
> anticipate that any significant legal advice will be transmitted directly
> to the CCWG by the law firms, and will not be "filtered' by the Legal
> Subteam.
>
> Greg
>
> On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 9:20 AM, Seun Ojedeji <seun.ojedeji at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Carrie,
>>
>> I think that is not the appropriate way to view this....the way i
>> understood the role of the group is that its similar to the CWG-legal
>> committee where all they do is transmit the questions of the ccwg to the
>> legal firm and vice verse. There is definitely not going to be any decision
>> making at their level except those related to their meeting administration
>> ofcourse).
>>
>> I think its a tidy and effective way to interact with an external firm
>> that is not directly involved in this process.
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 2:12 PM, Carrie <carriedev at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> 7 people deciding policy affecting billions around the world one would
>>> expect contributions from persons on other committees would be welcomed.
>>> Moreso considering failure to engage more 'volunteers' and volunteer
>>> burnout.
>>>
>>> Carrie Devorah
>>> Www.centerforcopyrightintegrity.com
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Mar 26, 2015, at 4:09 AM, Alice Jansen <alice.jansen at icann.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Dear León,
>>> This is to confirm that Samantha Eisner has no posting rights.
>>> Best regards
>>> Alice
>>>
>>> From: León Felipe Sánchez Ambía <leonfelipe at sanchez.mx>
>>> Date: Thursday, March 26, 2015 6:31 AM
>>> To: Samantha Eisner <Samantha.Eisner at icann.org>
>>> Cc: ACCT-Staff <acct-staff at icann.org>, CCWG Accountability <
>>> accountability-cross-community at icann.org>, Lisse Eberhard <
>>> directors at omadhina.net>, Kieren McCarthy <kieren at kierenmccarthy.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [Acct-Staff] [CCWG-ACCT] Legal sub-team update
>>>
>>> Dear Samantha,
>>>
>>> That should be correct. I hereby ask Staff to confirm that you DO NOT
>>> have posting privileges to the legal sub-team list.
>>>
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>>
>>>
>>> León
>>>
>>> El 26/03/2015, a las 1:51, Samantha Eisner <Samantha.Eisner at icann.org>
>>> escribió:
>>>
>>> To confirm, it is my understanding that I do not have posting rights
>>> to the sub team list either.
>>>
>>> From: Kieren McCarthy <kieren at kierenmccarthy.com>
>>> Date: Wednesday, March 25, 2015 at 4:38 PM
>>> To: León Sánchez Ambía <leonfelipe at sanchez.mx>
>>> Cc: ACCT-Staff <acct-staff at icann.org>, CCWG Accountability <
>>> accountability-cross-community at icann.org>, Lisse Eberhard <
>>> directors at omadhina.net>
>>> Subject: Re: [CCWG-ACCT] Legal sub-team update
>>>
>>> This approach may look sound on the inside but there are two clearly
>>> very unusual aspects to it:
>>>
>>> 1. A small group of people have decided that they should step outside
>>> accepted norms in the IANA transition process and been given control of a
>>> critical process. They have implemented it immediately, and are judging the
>>> validity of their decision by how much they themselves agree with it
>>>
>>> 2. One of that small group appears to be ICANN's senior counsel.
>>> Something that is transparently a conflict of interest given that the
>>> entire process is supposed to be about gaining legal advice independent of
>>> ICANN
>>>
>>> Not only were these decisions made within the group and in a very
>>> short period of time with no effort to seek outside approval or input but
>>> the group hasn't even put together a reasoned explanation for why it has
>>> taken this approach.
>>>
>>> Even if you are one of the people that have allowed themselves inside
>>> this process, surely you can see that this is a terrible precedent for no
>>> good reason.
>>>
>>> So I would ask:
>>>
>>> * Why? Was there any evidence that this approach was actually needed?
>>> Or was it an assumed pre-emptive reduction in transparency and
>>> accountability? How long was the actual discussion?
>>>
>>> * What is the explanation/justification for having a member of ICANN's
>>> legal team on a committee that is specifically set up to gather legal
>>> advice independent from ICANN? How is this conflict of interest explained
>>> away?
>>>
>>>
>>> Kieren
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Mar 25, 2015 at 2:42 PM, León Felipe Sánchez Ambía <
>>> leonfelipe at sanchez.mx> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Dear Eberhard,
>>>>
>>>> This was discussed and agreed upon in the legal team update session
>>>> we had in our morning meeting on day 2 of our Istanbul meeting and then on
>>>> a later call of the legal sub-team that same day.
>>>>
>>>> Best regards,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> León
>>>>
>>>> El 25/03/2015, a las 23:29, Dr Eberhard W Lisse <el at lisse.na>
>>>> escribió:
>>>>
>>>> Am I missing something here?
>>>>
>>>> When was this discussed, read twice and agreed upon?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> el
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Sent from Dr Lisse's iPad mini
>>>>
>>>> On Mar 25, 2015, at 22:57, León Felipe Sánchez Ambía <
>>>> leonfelipe at sanchez.mx> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Dear all,
>>>>
>>>> Moving forward, following the agreements made in our meeting with the
>>>> wider CCWG and the legal sub team’s call on 24 March, the Legal Subteam
>>>> mailing-list will, from now on, be the sole avenue for any communications,
>>>> requests and advice sent to and received from our independent legal experts.
>>>>
>>>> Also as agreed during our call, mailing-list posting rights have been
>>>> edited to help streamline communications. It was agreed that a compact
>>>> subset of legal sub-team participants would serve as executive team in
>>>> order to make communications easier to handle between the CCWG and the law
>>>> firms. Agreement was established so solely members of the legal executive
>>>> team now have posting rights to this list.
>>>>
>>>> The list will remain open for anyone to observe and it will continue
>>>> to be publicly archived. In the event that anyone form the larger CCWG
>>>> group would like to raise a question or issue, the question should be
>>>> posted to the general list so it can be properly documented by the legal
>>>> subteam and sent to the lawyers accordingly.
>>>>
>>>> Questions that fall out of the scope stated in the CCWG charter will
>>>> not qualify to be addressed by the independent legal experts.
>>>>
>>>> A description of the agreed scope of work, rules of engagement and
>>>> working methodologies is available below. This information will be posted
>>>> on our dedicated wiki page
>>>> <https://community.icann.org/display/acctcrosscomm/Legal+SubTeam>for
>>>> full reference.
>>>> Thanks
>>>> Best regards
>>>> León
>>>> ---
>>>>
>>>> *Scope of work*
>>>>
>>>> - Adler & Colvin will be the primary source of advice on corporate
>>>> governance law and California not-for-profit law.
>>>> - Sidley & Austin will be addressing international law
>>>> and jurisdiction issues and any additional topic, as deemed appropriate.
>>>>
>>>> *Rules of Engagement & Working Methodologies*
>>>>
>>>> COMMUNICATIONS & COORDINATION
>>>>
>>>> - All formal requests, including follow-up clarifications, are made
>>>> in writing and communicated through the public mailing list
>>>> ccwg-accountability5 at icann.org – public archives available at
>>>> http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/ccwg-accountability5/
>>>> - All weekly calls to be recorded, transcribed and archived in the
>>>> public wiki space.
>>>> - Law firms report to the CCWG-Accountability and receive
>>>> instructions from the legal executive sub team only. Legal Executive
>>>> Subteam Members include: León Sánchez (lead); Athina Fragkouli; Robin
>>>> Gross; David McAuley; Sabine Meyer; Edward Morris; Greg Shatan and Samantha
>>>> Eisner (support);.
>>>> - Private coordination meetings between lawyers would be acceptable
>>>> and desirable.
>>>> - Information should flow freely between law firms.
>>>> - Should there be the need for a call between the available members
>>>> of the Executive Legal Subteam and any of the law firms in order to address
>>>> urgent matters without the ability to setup a public call, it will always
>>>> be required to provide proper debrief to the open list in a timely fashion.
>>>> This method will be exceptional.
>>>> - A single mailing-list will be used. Legal sub team members who
>>>> are not listed in the legal executive subteam have viewing rights to help
>>>> streamline communications. Posting privileges should carry request
>>>> privileges.
>>>> - The mailing-list remains open to any observers.
>>>> - Activities and requests will be documented on the dedicated wiki
>>>> page -
>>>> https://community.icann.org/display/acctcrosscomm/Legal+SubTeam
>>>> - Legal sub team and law firms coordination call will be held on
>>>> Wednesdays at 15:00-16:00 UTC, starting on April 1. Calls will be open to
>>>> anyone, they will be recorded, transcribed and archived in the public wiki
>>>> space.
>>>>
>>>> REQUESTS FOR EXPERTISE
>>>>
>>>> - No individual outside the executive legal sub team should send
>>>> requests to law firms.
>>>> - Law firms are to alert the legal executive sub team of any
>>>> requests made by individuals outside the legal executive sub team.
>>>> - During face-to-face meetings/calls, high level legal advice
>>>> should come in real time in reply to anyone raising a question within the
>>>> Charter’s scope.
>>>> - Legal Executive Subteam should flag any items that are for
>>>> research.
>>>> - Legal Executive Subteam is expected to formulate questions into a
>>>> request for distribution in PDF or WORD format to obtain legal advice.
>>>> - Requests for legal advice should be numbered consecutively for
>>>> reference purposes.
>>>> - All requests will be archived in the public wiki space.
>>>>
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>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *Seun Ojedeji,Federal University Oye-Ekitiweb:
>> http://www.fuoye.edu.ng <http://www.fuoye.edu.ng> Mobile: +2348035233535**alt
>> email: <http://goog_1872880453>seun.ojedeji at fuoye.edu.ng
>> <seun.ojedeji at fuoye.edu.ng>*
>>
>> The key to understanding is humility - my view !
>>
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CARRIE Devorah
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