[CCWG-ACCT] Internet Principles by ICANN in Strategic Plan

Mon Mar 30 13:01:01 UTC 2015

Hi Arun,

Neither :)

I just want to understand if NETMundial principles, that are endorsed by
ICANN, can be seen as Internet principles of ICANN, or is ICANN going to
come up with its own set of Internet principles?

Best Regards,
Rahul Sharma

On 30 March 2015 at 14:55, Arun Sukumar <arun.sukumar at nludelhi.ac.in> wrote:

> Seun, these principles are up for discussion since the CCWG is
> contemplating changes to ICANN's Mission Statement and Core Values to
> enhance accountability.
>
> @Rahul,  legitimate question on NetMundial principles, although is your
> objection on the principles themselves or on the fact that these were
> articulated through the NetMundial process?
>
> On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 2:46 PM, Seun Ojedeji <seun.ojedeji at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Rahul,
>>
>> Section 1 and 2 of ICANN bylaw states its mission and core values
>> (principles). Its on the website as well:
>> https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/governance/bylaws-en
>>
>> Hope that helps
>>
>> Regards
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 10:10 AM, Rahul Sharma <wisdom.stoic at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Not really Seun. I meant what are the Internet principles ICANN imbibes
>>> or endorses by virtue of it being trans-national institution involved in IG
>>> matters. That would also mean defining those principles and listing down
>>> these principles on ICANN website. Like NETMundial listed down Internet
>>> principles, should ICANN do it too?
>>>
>>> Hope this is clear now.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Rahul Sharma
>>>
>>> On 30 March 2015 at 12:55, Seun Ojedeji <seun.ojedeji at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Sure ICANN does adopts such general Internet principals and that's why
>>>> it has an increasing multistakeholder community. I guess the second
>>>> question has been answered in that context.
>>>>
>>>> However I presume you are trying to make a point; is there any specific
>>>> aspect of the principles you listed that you think ICANN(and it's
>>>> community) is not exhibiting or can improve on?
>>>>
>>>> Cheers!
>>>>
>>>> sent from Google nexus 4
>>>> kindly excuse brevity and typos.
>>>> On 30 Mar 2015 08:16, "Rahul Sharma" <wisdom.stoic at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Seun and Barrack,
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you for your inputs. When I said Internet Principles, I meant
>>>>> principles such as promoting open architecture, protection of
>>>>> intermediaries, preserving human rights, IG process principles, promoting
>>>>> open standards, privacy, diversity, security and stability etc..
>>>>>
>>>>> Please refer set of Internet principles endorsed by NETMundial:
>>>>> https://www.netmundial.org/principles
>>>>>
>>>>> These are over-arching principles, that go beyond technical standards
>>>>> adopted by IETF.  In this context, I again post my questions:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>    1. Should a body like ICANN define and adopt Internet Principles
>>>>>    it believes in, for its policy, strategy and operations?
>>>>>
>>>>>    2. Are group members aware whether decision of endorsement of
>>>>>    NETmundial principles is through a public consultation process involving
>>>>>    community or an internal ICANN decision unknown to community? Is this a
>>>>>    matter that this group working on ICANN Accountability should discuss?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> Rahul Sharma
>>>>>
>>>>> On 30 March 2015 at 11:15, Seun Ojedeji <seun.ojedeji at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Edit:
>>>>>> her our principles = her own principles
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheers!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> sent from Google nexus 4
>>>>>> kindly excuse brevity and typos.
>>>>>> On 30 Mar 2015 06:42, "Seun Ojedeji" <seun.ojedeji at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi Barack,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ICANN community sure makes her our principles, the question was
>>>>>>> asking about who makes INTERNET principles and the closest answer I have to
>>>>>>> that is the IETF which sets operating standards of the internet globally
>>>>>>> (Protocol parameters).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> sent from Google nexus 4
>>>>>>> kindly excuse brevity and typos.
>>>>>>> On 30 Mar 2015 06:12, "Barrack Otieno" <otieno.barrack at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi Seun and Rahul,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Since ICANN is Community just like the IETF, my thoughts are it
>>>>>>>> should
>>>>>>>> define and adopt the principles it beleives in. I agree with you on
>>>>>>>> the second answer.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 3/30/15, Seun Ojedeji <seun.ojedeji at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> > Hi Rahul,
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> > I don't think ICANN is defining internet principles but yes they
>>>>>>>> do
>>>>>>>> > participate in such efforts. IETF is the known body that formerly
>>>>>>>> defines
>>>>>>>> > such global principles(better called standards) for the internet.
>>>>>>>> > To your second question, the outcome of NETMundial was largely
>>>>>>>> supported by
>>>>>>>> > the ICANN community but note that those principles are not
>>>>>>>> binding for any
>>>>>>>> > organisation they are mainly recommendations.
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> > Cheers!
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> > sent from Google nexus 4
>>>>>>>> > kindly excuse brevity and typos.
>>>>>>>> > On 30 Mar 2015 03:20, "Rahul Sharma" <wisdom.stoic at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/strategic-plan-2016-2020-10oct14-en.pdf
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >> Page 22, Section 4.3  Participate in the evolution of a global,
>>>>>>>> trusted,
>>>>>>>> >> inclusive multistakeholder Internet governance ecosystem that
>>>>>>>> addresses
>>>>>>>> >> Internet issues.
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >> One of the key success factors says:
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >> Demonstrate leadership by implementing best practices in
>>>>>>>> multistakeholder
>>>>>>>> >> mechanisms within the distributed Internet governance ecosystem
>>>>>>>> while
>>>>>>>> >> *encouraging
>>>>>>>> >> all stakeholders to implement the principles endorsed at
>>>>>>>> NETmundial*.
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >> Related questions:
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >>    1. Should a body like ICANN define and adopt Internet
>>>>>>>> Principles it
>>>>>>>> >>    believes in, for its policy, strategy and operations?
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >>    2. Are group members aware whether endorsement of NETmundial
>>>>>>>> >>    principles is through a public consultation process involving
>>>>>>>> community
>>>>>>>> >> or
>>>>>>>> >>    an internal ICANN decision? Is this a matter that this group
>>>>>>>> working
>>>>>>>> >> on
>>>>>>>> >>    ICANN Accountability should discuss?
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >> Kind Regards,
>>>>>>>> >> Rahul Sharma
>>>>>>>> >>
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>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>
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