[CCWG-ACCT] Please review regarding IAB comments on Mission Statement

Dr Eberhard W Lisse epilisse at gmail.com
Sun Nov 1 21:38:13 UTC 2015


But,

do they want that?

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On 2015-11-01 23:24 , Kavouss Arasteh wrote:
> Dear Colleagues,
> 
> From three operational communities, two are currently well represented
> in the ICANN
> 
> Names are mainly represented  by GNSO and to great extent ccNSO,
> 
> Numbers by ASO
> 
> Protocol and technical parameters by No one,
> 
> It is true that IETF/ IAB positively and constructively contributes to
> the process but would it be possible to seek  from them whether in their
> view ,it would better to re-instate PSO or just act as requested by them
> in replacing “ to coordinate” with “ to support” in the ICANN mission
> .Perhaps for the time being the later is more straight forward and simple
> 
>  For your kind consideration
> 
> Kavouss
> 
> 
> 2015-11-01 22:10 GMT+01:00 Marilyn Cade <marilynscade at hotmail.com
> <mailto:marilynscade at hotmail.com>>:
> 
>     I too would like to reinstate the PSO. Its disappearance
>     was without real support from the stakeholders and has limited the 
>     Board's credibility.
> 
>     The seats can be taken from the NomCom seats, which grew
>     from 5 to 8, without a real understanding of the importance of
>     elected/accountable seats, against seats from elsewhere
>     from the outside spaces around the Stakeholders.
> 
>     When the PSO was seating members, they were seasoned,
>     and experienced from the technical community... 
> 
>     we have lost that particular role... 
> 
>     ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>     Subject: Re: [CCWG-ACCT] Please review regarding IAB comments on
>     Mission Statement
>     From: lists at christopherwilkinson.eu
>     <mailto:lists at christopherwilkinson.eu>
>     Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2015 17:41:38 +0100
>     CC: roelof.meijer at sidn.nl <mailto:roelof.meijer at sidn.nl>;
>     lyman at interisle.net <mailto:lyman at interisle.net>;
>     becky.burr at neustar.biz <mailto:becky.burr at neustar.biz>; iab at iab.org
>     <mailto:iab at iab.org>; ssac at icann.org <mailto:ssac at icann.org>;
>     marilynscade at hotmail.com <mailto:marilynscade at hotmail.com>
>     To: accountability-cross-community at icann.org
>     <mailto:accountability-cross-community at icann.org>
> 
> 
>     +1. 
> 
>     I suggest that the solution to this problem is to re-instate the PSO. 
> 
>     (At the time, the 'disappearance' of PSO was surprising and was
>     interpreted as a /'coup'/ by the IETF against other ICT
>     standardisation entities' interests in the DNS. That was not
>     correct, nor appropriate.)
> 
>     There has to be a global level of "coordinating the allocation and
>     assignment of the DNS unique identifiers … ". Preferably with
>     accountability to all categories of users. If not ICANN, then where?
> 
>     CW
> 
>     On 01 Nov 2015, at 15:21, Marilyn Cade <marilynscade at hotmail.com
>     <mailto:marilynscade at hotmail.com>> wrote:
> 
>         I prefer that you work with the IAB for acceptable language.
>         I was disappointed when some of you and some on the then board
>         removed the elected representative from the technical community
>         with appointments on a rotating basis from entities, including
>         IETF, ITU, etc, but that did not in my view replace the vision
>         that we had when we created ICANN to have elected and thus
>         acceptable representatives from the technical community. 
> 
>         Frankly, I prefer to return to elected member from the technical
>         community, to replace one of the NomCom appointments, which have
>         no accountability, and are randomly able to show any kind of
>         accountability. However, that Board reform is a different matter
>         from this discussion. 
> 
>         And, Roelof, while usually, I agree with you, it is very
>         difficult to change ICANN bylaws. and a slow process.
> 
>         As I may not have posting privileges, I ask that if this does
>         not appear on the list, that someone forward but note that there
>         is no need that you agree with my views
> 
>         Marilyn Cade
> 
>         > From: Roelof.Meijer at sidn.nl <mailto:Roelof.Meijer at sidn.nl>
>         > To: lyman at interisle.net
>         <mailto:lyman at interisle.net>; Becky.Burr at neustar.biz
>         <mailto:Becky.Burr at neustar.biz>
>         > Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2015 20:37:28 +0000
>         > CC: IAB at Iab.org <mailto:IAB at Iab.org>; ssac at icann.org
>         <mailto:ssac at icann.org>;
>         accountability-cross-community at icann.org
>         <mailto:accountability-cross-community at icann.org>
>         > Subject: Re: [CCWG-ACCT] Please review regarding IAB comments
>         on Mission Statement
>         > 
>         > Dear all,
>         > 
>         > In my opinion, this has nothing to do with the IANA
>         Stewardship Transition
>         > nor the enhancement of ICANN¹s accountability.
>         > We should not deal with this.
>         > Moreover, the argument that this is (will become) a
>         fundamental bylaw and
>         > thus ³difficult to fix later² is incorrect. If the community
>         feels that
>         > something should be fixed here, it will be easier than it is now.
>         > 
>         > best,
>         > 
>         > Roelof
>         > 
>         > 
>         > 
>         > 
>         > On 31-10-15 09:56,
>         "accountability-cross-community-bounces at icann.org
>         <mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces at icann.org> on
>         > behalf of Lyman Chapin"
>         <accountability-cross-community-bounces at icann.org
>         <mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces at icann.org>
>         > on behalf of lyman at interisle.net <mailto:lyman at interisle.net>>
>         wrote:
>         > 
>         > >Becky and CCWG members -
>         > >
>         > >Because the mission statement will be a fundamental bylaw -
>         and therefore
>         > >by design extremely difficult to "fix" later - the concern
>         expressed by
>         > >the IAB (and echoed by others during the Dublin meeting) is a
>         lot more
>         > >important than it might seem; it's not just a matter of
>         preferring
>         > >different words to describe roughly the same thing. ICANN's
>         current
>         > >mission statement is empirically incorrect; as a simple
>         matter of fact,
>         > >ICANN does not ³coordinate, at the overall level, the global
>         Internet¹s
>         > >system of unique identifiers.² Using the same empirical
>         standard, the
>         > >alternatives (to this and other parts of the mission
>         statement) proposed
>         > >by the IAB are factually accurate. On that basis alone it
>         seems obvious
>         > >that the CCWG should prefer the IAB's formulation to the one
>         that stands
>         > >in the current bylaws, or alternatively should work with the
>         IAB to
>         > >develop and mutually agree upon more accurate wording, and we
>         recommend
>         > >that it do so.
>         > >
>         > >- Lyman and Julie
>         > >
>         > >On Oct 30, 2015, at 5:04 PM, Burr, Becky wrote:
>         > >
>         > >> CCWG Members ­
>         > >> 
>         > >> The IAB has raised a significant concern about the Mission
>         Statement,
>         > >>which currently describes ICANN¹s role of coordinating the
>         allocation
>         > >>and assignment of the DNS¹ unique identifiers, including
>         Protocol port
>         > >>and parameter numbers. As some of you may recall, in early
>         comments
>         > >>they suggested changing the word ³coordination² to
>         ³support.² WP2
>         > >>discussed this and declined to modify the existing language
>         in the
>         > >>Bylaws, but provided an opportunity for the ASO, the Root Server
>         > >>community, and the port/parameter community to provide their own
>         > >>description of what policy ³coordination² would mean in each
>         (i.e.,
>         > >>names, numbers, root servers, protocol/parameters) context.
>         > >> 
>         > >> Andrew Sullivan, Chair of IAB, has informed me that the IAB
>         remains
>         > >>very concerned about the Mission Statement. According to
>         Andrew (on
>         > >>behalf of the IAB), ³the mission statement (including the
>         chapeau) is
>         > >>misleading, has caused us problems in the past, and has been
>         false at
>         > >>least since the end of the PSO [Protocol Supporting
>         Organization] and
>         > >>arguably before that. In particular, according to the IAB,
>         ³ICANN does
>         > >>not "coordinate, at the overall level, the global Internet's
>         systems of
>         > >>unique identifiers.²
>         > >> 
>         > >> This issue was discussed in the Public Forum in Dublin, and
>         Steve
>         > >>Crocker expressed support for working to align ICANN¹s
>         description of
>         > >>its role in this area more precisely:
>         > >> 
>         > >> ANDREW SULLIVAN: Hi, my name is Andrew Sullivan. And I'm
>         chair of the
>         > >>Internet Architecture Board. The mission of ICANN currently
>         has text
>         > >>that ICANN -- and I quote -- is to coordinate at the overall
>         level, the
>         > >>global Internet systems of unique identifiers. End quote.
>         That's not
>         > >>precisely true any more and hasn't been at least since the
>         protocol
>         > >>supporting organization disappeared from ICANN. I'm
>         wondering whether
>         > >>the Board is open to changing this part of the mission since
>         it's open
>         > >>anyway in the CCWG process?
>         > >> 
>         > >> STEVE CROCKER: I think I'm the designated hitter here.
>         Andrew, thank
>         > >>you very much. There's been a somewhat uncomfortable
>         disparity between
>         > >>some of the words that we use to describe ourselves and some
>         of the
>         > >>words that our close friends use to describe us. We have --
>         and we've --
>         > >>some of us have been paying attention for a while. The good
>         news -- I
>         > >>think it's extremely good news -- is that over the last
>         relatively short
>         > >>period of time, we have built a much stronger technical
>         team, step one.
>         > >>And step 2 is would are we have actually got them connected
>         to the
>         > >>communications process. Harder than I would have liked it to
>         have been.
>         > >>But it's now there. And it's been one of these behind the
>         scenes things
>         > >>of where we've been pressing. So I think that, going
>         forward, we're
>         > >>going to try to align our words in a more careful way.
>         There's always a
>         > >>lot of equities about how many words you use to describe
>         yourself which,
>         > >>you know. But I think some greater precision and adjustment
>         of the
>         > >>nuances is well in order.
>         > >> 
>         > >> The IAB has provided some proposed text, which addresses
>         the concerns
>         > >>of its members. I have attached a side-by-side comparison of
>         (1) the
>         > >>Existing Mission Statement; (2) the current CCWG proposal;
>         and (3) the
>         > >>IAB proposal. I should note that the proposed changes appear
>         to be more
>         > >>dramatic than they actually are. Most of the changes reflect
>         moving the
>         > >>language around. The substantive changes include:
>         > >> 
>         > >> 
>         > >> 
>         > >> Current Bylaws/CCWG Proposal
>         > >> 
>         > >> 
>         > >> IAB Proposal
>         > >> 
>         > >> 
>         > >> ICANN¹s mission is to ³coordinate, at the overall level,
>         the global
>         > >>Internet¹s system of unique identifiers²
>         > >> 
>         > >> 
>         > >> ICANN¹s mission is to ³support, at the overall level, core
>         Internet
>         > >>registries²
>         > >> 
>         > >> 
>         > >> ICANN coordinates the allocation and assignment of ³Domain
>         Names
>         > >>(forming a system referred to as ³DNS²)
>         > >> 
>         > >> 
>         > >> ICANN coordinates the allocation and assignment of ³names
>         in the root
>         > >>zone of the Domain Name System (³DNS²)
>         > >> 
>         > >> 
>         > >> ICANN coordinates the ³allocation and assignment of
>         protocol port and
>         > >>parameter numbers²
>         > >> 
>         > >> 
>         > >> ICANN ³collaborates with other bodies as appropriate to
>         publish core
>         > >>registries needed for the functioning of the Internet.²
>         > >> 
>         > >> 
>         > >> As indicated above, a more complete comparison is attached.
>         Given the
>         > >>strength of the IAB¹s views on this point, I thought it was
>         important to
>         > >>raise this issue for discussion.
>         > >> 
>         > >> Becky
>         > >> 
>         > >> J. Beckwith Burr
>         > >> Deputy General Counsel & Chief Privacy Officer
>         > >> 
>         > >> <IAB Proposed Mission Statement Changes 30
>         > >>October.pdf>_______________________________________________
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