[CCWG-ACCT] Status of summary document

Greg Shatan gregshatanipc at gmail.com
Thu Nov 12 18:23:38 UTC 2015


+1 for 40 days.  Let's not fool around.

On Thu, Nov 12, 2015 at 11:45 AM, Dr Eberhard W Lisse <el at lisse.na> wrote:

> No, they don't, in fact.
>
> It's intentional.
>
> el
> --
> Sent from Dr Lisse's iPad mini
>
> > On 12 Nov 2015, at 18:18, Nigel Roberts <nigel at channelisles.net> wrote:
> >
> > Indeed. Agree 100%.
> >
> > As one Government type put it to me in Dublin, off the record ...
> >
> > "they SERIOUSLY expect that any substantive work is done in the public
> sector over the Christmas period????"
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >> On 11/12/2015 04:07 PM, Malcolm Hutty wrote:
> >> I agree with Phil's reasoning as to why any extension is required.
> >>
> >> However, given that the public comment period would span the holiday
> >> season, I would suggest that public comment not close until Friday 8th
> >> January.
> >>
> >> This will materially relieve any criticism that we have made it
> >> unreasonably difficult for comments to be assembled by choosing dates
> >> that co-incide with the holiday season, without causing any significant
> >> additional delay.
> >>
> >> Malcolm.
> >>
> >>> On 12/11/2015 15:32, Phil Corwin wrote:
> >>> On one hand I am relieved to see this as I was planning to post an
> email
> >>> today urging the Co-Chairs to either postpone issuance of the Executive
> >>> Summary until there was actually a completed final Proposal to
> >>> summarize, or to relabel it so that it would be clear that it was not a
> >>> document reflecting final resolutions of key issues on which formal
> >>> comments could be based. You have taken the second course and chosen to
> >>> label it as “Formal Update on our progress in and after the Dublin
> meeting”.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On the other hand, this decision now makes clear that the length of the
> >>> public comment period is inadequate. In the CCWG’s October 22^nd
> >>>  Statement
> >>> <
> https://www.icann.org/news/blog/cross-community-working-group-on-enhancing-icann-accountability-icann54-co-chairs-statement
> >
> >>> this appears:
> >>>
> >>> The current timeline proposes posting a high-level overview of
> >>> recommendations and a summary of changes from the 2nd Draft Proposal
> for
> >>> a 35-day public comment on 15 November 2015. Alongside the 35-day
> public
> >>> comment, the CCWG-Accountability will submit these resources to the
> >>> Chartering Organizations for initial feedback. The CCWG-Accountability
> >>> plans to issue a full detailed report, including annexes and in-depth
> >>> documentation, mid-way into the public comment period for roughly 20
> >>> days of consultation.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> A Formal Update cannot legitimately be the basis of either public
> >>> comment or informed feedback from the Chartering organizations. Thus it
> >>> is clear that there is really only a 21-day public comment period under
> >>> the current timetable, starting with the November 30 release of the
> 3^rd
> >>> draft Proposal, if the current target of December 21 is adhered to.
> This
> >>> is inadequate for a matter of this importance and complexity, and
> >>> considering the major differences between the Member and Designator
> models..
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> *Therefore I again urge the CCWG to extend the public comment period
> >>> deadline to at least December 30 to permit a 30-day comment period,
> >>> which should be the minimum requirement in this case.*
> >>>
> >>> * *
> >>>
> >>> Lastly, I do not think that the issuance of a Formal Update obviates
> the
> >>> need for an Executive Summary to accompany the 3^rd draft proposal.
> Such
> >>> a Summary could be extremely useful in assisting the community in
> >>> understanding the document, particularly by explaining how the key
> >>> remaining issues were resolved.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Thank you for consideration of my views.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> *Philip S. Corwin, Founding Principal*
> >>>
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> >>>
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> >>>
> >>> * *
> >>>
> >>> *Twitter: @VlawDC*
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> */"Luck is the residue of design" -- Branch Rickey/*
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> *From:*accountability-cross-community-bounces at icann.org
> >>> [mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces at icann.org] *On Behalf
> Of
> >>> *Mathieu Weill
> >>> *Sent:* Thursday, November 12, 2015 8:22 AM
> >>> *To:* accountability-cross-community at icann.org
> >>> *Subject:* [CCWG-ACCT] Status of summary document
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Dear Colleagues,
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> The activity on the list has been very intense lately. As co-chairs we
> >>> would like to warmly thank all commenters on the recent documents. The
> >>> feedbacks were extremely helpful, whether on substance or format, and
> >>> our support team is working hard to take your feedback in account for
> >>> the updated version.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> You will remember that a lot of concerns were raised that what the CCWG
> >>> is working on is difficult to understand for those who are not
> following
> >>> the groups intense work. In response to that, we have discussed and
> >>> agreed we would publish a document explaining in plain language what we
> >>> are doing. We have factored this into the agreed plan.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> At the time, we had expected to having reached consensus on all
> >>> remaining questions. As this is not the case today, we suggest flagging
> >>> this accordingly and move forward with the publication of the document,
> >>> which we would call a *Formal Update on our progress in and after the
> >>> Dublin meeting*, rather than an executive summary.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Many of you have correctly stated that the document we shared with you
> >>> is not an executive summary due to its length. It is rather a short
> >>> version of our report without offering information on the rationale for
> >>> decisions and the genesis of our recommendation. This level of detail
> >>> will be found in our report. We have, however, added a 2 page abstract
> >>> in addition to incorporating a plethora of your suggestions to make
> this
> >>> document accurate, more accessible and shorter.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> To be clear:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> The document that we are planning to issue on Nov 15 is designed to
> >>> update the community on the progress we have made during and after
> ICANN
> >>> 54. Its goal is to raise awareness of where we are, what our proposals
> >>> are, so that outreach can start and consideration of our final report
> >>> (announced for Nov 30th) can take place in a shorter time frame.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> While the content of the document would reflect the positions of our
> >>> group, closing outstanding issues is not a requirement before issuing
> >>> this formal update. Outstanding issues will be flagged as such. What is
> >>> needed is a high level summary, as well as some level of detail
> >>> regarding the topics we made progress on in Dublin : decision making,
> >>> sole designator model, budget, individual director removal, and human
> >>> rights.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Our public comment period will then focus on soliciting feedback on
> >>> these changes in order to avoid the duplication of efforts for
> >>> commenters on areas of our report that already enjoyed broad support.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> With the full report, we will offer the opportunity to publish minority
> >>> statements.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> We do hope that you find these clarifications and suggestions helpful.
> >>> We will circulate the next version of the Update within the next 12
> >>> hours, and the discussion of the document will be on the agenda of our
> >>> call on Friday 13 November, at 6.00 UTC.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Many thanks again to all of you for your continued commitment.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Thomas, Leon and Mathieu
> >>>
> >>> Co-chairs
> >>>
> >>>
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