[CCWG-ACCT] CCWG - Draft Update document for CCWG call

[Chris Disspain]

Hi Greg,

> For example, can Justin Bieber start a petition in the GNSO to remove Bruce Tonkin?

I think this is very unlikely as I understand Justin is a huge fan of Bruce and has all his records....
😄
Chris 

> On 14 Nov 2015, at 04:01, Greg Shatan <gregshatanipc at gmail.com> wrote:
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> A few quick comments, since that's all there's time for under this plan.  I was only able to review my prior comments against this draft; no time for a full read.
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> 1. Page 11: Petition Process: Is it clear that any individual, regardless of affiliation can begin a petition in any AC/SO for every power? Even removing that AC/SO's appointed director? For example, can Justin Bieber start a petition in the GNSO to remove Bruce Tonkin?  If that is what we agreed to, never mind.  It just strikes me as odd, and I haven't seen it expressed this way before. (I think we used the passive voice before, which did not identify the "actor" or any limitation on their identity or affiliation.)
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> 2. Page 13: Enforcement Section:  This section states that the Community has two options -- (1) mediation/IRP or (2) remove entire Board.  This is wrong.  The Community also has the option to remove some directors and leave others in place, if the Community beleved that would be sufficient to change the outcome.  This would be less disruptive than total recall.  I'm concerned that failing to mention this option makes our proposal look too "nuclear" and incapable of nuance.
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> 3. Page 14-15: There are inconsistent descriptions of the ICANN Bylaws.  The one at the top of page 14 says that "ICANN Bylaws describe how power is exercised in ICANN...." That might be good if we were engaging in social theory (in which case, the word "hegemony" needs to appear at least once in our document), but we just need a generic description of the purpose of bylaws.  The middle of page 15 contains just a description which should be used here as well.
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> 4. Page 22: Draft Bylaw on Human Rights.  I don't understand why there is underlining here.  It should be removed.
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> Finally, I generally support the treatment of the items that are in flux, but I am hopeful that at least one of them can be "un-fluxed" before this is published....
> 
> Greg
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>> On Fri, Nov 13, 2015 at 9:57 AM, Mathieu Weill <mathieu.weill at afnic.fr> wrote:
>> Dear Sabine,
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>> I think that this is version issue. The version of the document you are referencing is the incorrect one.
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>> Indeed, it was part of the transparency issues mentioned in Dublin and, during the CCWG call #65 we specifically discussed the item (see the slides here : https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/56144581/WP2%20Issues%202%20Nov%202015.pdf?version=1&modificationDate=1446529282000&api=v2) and acknowledged that there we had received several requests to address this issue in WS2.
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>> Thank you for raising this consistency issue.
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>> Best,
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>> Mathieu
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>> De : accountability-cross-community-bounces at icann.org [mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces at icann.org] De la part de Sabine.Meyer at bmwi.bund.de
>> Envoyé : vendredi 13 novembre 2015 15:01
>> À : turcotte.bernard at gmail.com
>> Cc : accountability-cross-community at icann.org
>> Objet : Re: [CCWG-ACCT] CCWG - Draft Update document for CCWG call
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>> Dear Bernard,
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>> thank you for updating and re-sending the draft!
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>> To my understanding, the list of WS2 items on p 29 does not yet reflect the current status of discussions if indeed the latest version is the following: https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/50823981/AJed%2020151026%20Items%20for%20Consideration%20in%20Work%20Stream%202.pdf?version=1&modificationDate=1446576372000&api=v2
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>> In that case, “ICANN’s interaction with governments” is currently not part of the draft.
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>> Thank you for considering this.
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>> Kind regards
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>> Sabine Meyer
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>> International Digital and Postal Policy, Internet Governance
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>> E-Mail: sabine.meyer at bmwi.bund.de
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>> Von: accountability-cross-community-bounces at icann.org [mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces at icann.org] Im Auftrag von Bernard Turcotte
>> Gesendet: Freitag, 13. November 2015 00:04
>> An: Accountability Cross Community
>> Betreff: [CCWG-ACCT] CCWG - Draft Update document for CCWG call
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>> All,
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>> As per Mathieu's email of earlier today please find the draft Proposal Update document which will be discussed at the next CCWG meeting.
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>> The document is going to professional formatting as we speak - so any issues of layout, fonts etc. will be addressed by a specialist.
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>> This document also represents a consideration of all the comments received with respect to the previous version - not that all of these were accepted, but a majority were taken on.
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>> We apologize for the lateness of the document, but as you will notice we have put significant efforts into recasting this per the comments.
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>> Bernard Turcotte
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>> ICANN Staff Support for the CCWG
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>> for the CCWG Co-chairs.
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