[CCWG-ACCT] CCWG - Draft Update document for CCWG call

Seun Ojedeji seun.ojedeji at gmail.com
Fri Nov 13 18:43:43 UTC 2015


Since you have the understanding below then that is correct and there is
noting wrong with that; The petition only becomes recognised as legitimate
when the SO/AC owns it.

I don't see what the issue is in that scenario, an individual (or group of
people) raise a need, it goes through the particular SO/AC consideration
processes and becomes a formal petition of the concerned SO/AC.

Perhaps you want the role to be restricted to leaders of SO/AC so Greg as
the president of IPC can be the only one within IPC to raise such petition.
Sorry that won't be implementing the concept of MS and I thought you do
value that.

Regards
Sent from my Asus Zenfone2
Kindly excuse brevity and typos.
On 13 Nov 2015 19:25, "Greg Shatan" <gregshatanipc at gmail.com> wrote:

> I don't believe Page 18 addresses my concerns.  It says:
>
> The petition can only be started in the SO or AC that nominated the
> Director.
>
> It does not limit who can start that petition.  As such, Justin Bieber could
> start a petition (or Seun Ojedeji -- oops I see you are are member of
> NCSG (along with ALAC and the ASO) so you could start a petition almost
> anywhere regardless of restrictions) in the GNSO to remove Bruce Tonkin (a
> GNSO-appointed Director).  So, my concern stands.....
>
> If there's something I'm missing on page 18, please let me know.
>
> Greg
>
> On Fri, Nov 13, 2015 at 12:26 PM, Seun Ojedeji <seun.ojedeji at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Sent from my Asus Zenfone2
>> Kindly excuse brevity and typos.
>> On 13 Nov 2015 18:08, "Greg Shatan" <gregshatanipc at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > A few quick comments, since that's all there's time for under this
>> plan.  I was only able to review my prior comments against this draft; no
>> time for a full read.
>> >
>> > 1. Page 11: Petition Process: Is it clear that any individual,
>> regardless of affiliation can begin a petition in any AC/SO for every
>> power? Even removing that AC/SO's appointed director? For example, can
>> Justin Bieber start a petition in the GNSO to remove Bruce Tonkin?  If that
>> is what we agreed to, never mind.  It just strikes me as odd, and I haven't
>> seen it expressed this way before. (I think we used the passive voice
>> before, which did not identify the "actor" or any limitation on their
>> identity or affiliation.)
>> >
>> SO: Page 18 addresses your fears.
>>
>> Cheers!
>>
>> >
>> >
>> > On Fri, Nov 13, 2015 at 9:57 AM, Mathieu Weill <mathieu.weill at afnic.fr>
>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Dear Sabine,
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> I think that this is version issue. The version of the document you
>> are referencing is the incorrect one.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Indeed, it was part of the transparency issues mentioned in Dublin
>> and, during the CCWG call #65 we specifically discussed the item (see the
>> slides here :
>> https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/56144581/WP2%20Issues%202%20Nov%202015.pdf?version=1&modificationDate=1446529282000&api=v2)
>> and acknowledged that there we had received several requests to address
>> this issue in WS2.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Thank you for raising this consistency issue.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Best,
>> >>
>> >> Mathieu
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> De : accountability-cross-community-bounces at icann.org [mailto:
>> accountability-cross-community-bounces at icann.org] De la part de
>> Sabine.Meyer at bmwi.bund.de
>> >> Envoyé : vendredi 13 novembre 2015 15:01
>> >> À : turcotte.bernard at gmail.com
>> >> Cc : accountability-cross-community at icann.org
>> >> Objet : Re: [CCWG-ACCT] CCWG - Draft Update document for CCWG call
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Dear Bernard,
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> thank you for updating and re-sending the draft!
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> To my understanding, the list of WS2 items on p 29 does not yet
>> reflect the current status of discussions if indeed the latest version is
>> the following:
>> https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/50823981/AJed%2020151026%20Items%20for%20Consideration%20in%20Work%20Stream%202.pdf?version=1&modificationDate=1446576372000&api=v2
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> In that case, “ICANN’s interaction with governments” is currently not
>> part of the draft.
>> >>
>> >> Thank you for considering this.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Kind regards
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Sabine Meyer
>> >>
>> >> International Digital and Postal Policy, Internet Governance
>> >>
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>> >>
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>> >>
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>> >>
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>> >>
>> >> E-Mail: sabine.meyer at bmwi.bund.de
>> >>
>> >> Internet: http://www.bmwi.de
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Von: accountability-cross-community-bounces at icann.org [mailto:
>> accountability-cross-community-bounces at icann.org] Im Auftrag von Bernard
>> Turcotte
>> >> Gesendet: Freitag, 13. November 2015 00:04
>> >> An: Accountability Cross Community
>> >> Betreff: [CCWG-ACCT] CCWG - Draft Update document for CCWG call
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> All,
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> As per Mathieu's email of earlier today please find the draft Proposal
>> Update document which will be discussed at the next CCWG meeting.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> The document is going to professional formatting as we speak - so any
>> issues of layout, fonts etc. will be addressed by a specialist.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> This document also represents a consideration of all the comments
>> received with respect to the previous version - not that all of these were
>> accepted, but a majority were taken on.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> We apologize for the lateness of the document, but as you will notice
>> we have put significant efforts into recasting this per the comments.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Bernard Turcotte
>> >>
>> >> ICANN Staff Support for the CCWG
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> for the CCWG Co-chairs.
>> >>
>> >>
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