[CCWG-ACCT] CCWG - Draft Update document for CCWG call

Fri Nov 13 18:53:38 UTC 2015

>
> Perhaps you want the role to be restricted to leaders of SO/AC so Greg as
> the president of IPC can be the only one within IPC to raise such petition.
> Sorry that won't be implementing the concept of MS and I thought you do
> value that.

I did not in any way express or imply such an absurd thing, and I'm rather
insulted that you would even raise the possibility.  Perhaps you will find
a way to join the few SO/ACs you haven't yet joined, so that you can raise
a petition wherever you feel like it, even if the right is restricted.

  That seems like a much better plan for world domination, with much less
work, than chairing a constituency.

On Fri, Nov 13, 2015 at 1:43 PM, Seun Ojedeji <seun.ojedeji at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Since you have the understanding below then that is correct and there is
> noting wrong with that; The petition only becomes recognised as legitimate
> when the SO/AC owns it.
>
> I don't see what the issue is in that scenario, an individual (or group of
> people) raise a need, it goes through the particular SO/AC consideration
> processes and becomes a formal petition of the concerned SO/AC.
>
> Perhaps you want the role to be restricted to leaders of SO/AC so Greg as
> the president of IPC can be the only one within IPC to raise such petition.
> Sorry that won't be implementing the concept of MS and I thought you do
> value that.
>
> Regards
> Sent from my Asus Zenfone2
> Kindly excuse brevity and typos.
> On 13 Nov 2015 19:25, "Greg Shatan" <gregshatanipc at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I don't believe Page 18 addresses my concerns.  It says:
>>
>> The petition can only be started in the SO or AC that nominated the
>> Director.
>>
>> It does not limit who can start that petition.  As such, Justin Bieber could
>> start a petition (or Seun Ojedeji -- oops I see you are are member of
>> NCSG (along with ALAC and the ASO) so you could start a petition almost
>> anywhere regardless of restrictions) in the GNSO to remove Bruce Tonkin (a
>> GNSO-appointed Director).  So, my concern stands.....
>>
>> If there's something I'm missing on page 18, please let me know.
>>
>> Greg
>>
>> On Fri, Nov 13, 2015 at 12:26 PM, Seun Ojedeji <seun.ojedeji at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Sent from my Asus Zenfone2
>>> Kindly excuse brevity and typos.
>>> On 13 Nov 2015 18:08, "Greg Shatan" <gregshatanipc at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > A few quick comments, since that's all there's time for under this
>>> plan.  I was only able to review my prior comments against this draft; no
>>> time for a full read.
>>> >
>>> > 1. Page 11: Petition Process: Is it clear that any individual,
>>> regardless of affiliation can begin a petition in any AC/SO for every
>>> power? Even removing that AC/SO's appointed director? For example, can
>>> Justin Bieber start a petition in the GNSO to remove Bruce Tonkin?  If that
>>> is what we agreed to, never mind.  It just strikes me as odd, and I haven't
>>> seen it expressed this way before. (I think we used the passive voice
>>> before, which did not identify the "actor" or any limitation on their
>>> identity or affiliation.)
>>> >
>>> SO: Page 18 addresses your fears.
>>>
>>> Cheers!
>>>
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Fri, Nov 13, 2015 at 9:57 AM, Mathieu Weill <mathieu.weill at afnic.fr>
>>> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> Dear Sabine,
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> I think that this is version issue. The version of the document you
>>> are referencing is the incorrect one.
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> Indeed, it was part of the transparency issues mentioned in Dublin
>>> and, during the CCWG call #65 we specifically discussed the item (see the
>>> slides here :
>>> https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/56144581/WP2%20Issues%202%20Nov%202015.pdf?version=1&modificationDate=1446529282000&api=v2)
>>> and acknowledged that there we had received several requests to address
>>> this issue in WS2.
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> Thank you for raising this consistency issue.
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> Best,
>>> >>
>>> >> Mathieu
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> De : accountability-cross-community-bounces at icann.org [mailto:
>>> accountability-cross-community-bounces at icann.org] De la part de
>>> Sabine.Meyer at bmwi.bund.de
>>> >> Envoyé : vendredi 13 novembre 2015 15:01
>>> >> À : turcotte.bernard at gmail.com
>>> >> Cc : accountability-cross-community at icann.org
>>> >> Objet : Re: [CCWG-ACCT] CCWG - Draft Update document for CCWG call
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> Dear Bernard,
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> thank you for updating and re-sending the draft!
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> To my understanding, the list of WS2 items on p 29 does not yet
>>> reflect the current status of discussions if indeed the latest version is
>>> the following:
>>> https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/50823981/AJed%2020151026%20Items%20for%20Consideration%20in%20Work%20Stream%202.pdf?version=1&modificationDate=1446576372000&api=v2
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> In that case, “ICANN’s interaction with governments” is currently not
>>> part of the draft.
>>> >>
>>> >> Thank you for considering this.
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> Kind regards
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> Sabine Meyer
>>> >>
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>>> >>
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>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> Von: accountability-cross-community-bounces at icann.org [mailto:
>>> accountability-cross-community-bounces at icann.org] Im Auftrag von
>>> Bernard Turcotte
>>> >> Gesendet: Freitag, 13. November 2015 00:04
>>> >> An: Accountability Cross Community
>>> >> Betreff: [CCWG-ACCT] CCWG - Draft Update document for CCWG call
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> All,
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> As per Mathieu's email of earlier today please find the draft
>>> Proposal Update document which will be discussed at the next CCWG meeting.
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> The document is going to professional formatting as we speak - so any
>>> issues of layout, fonts etc. will be addressed by a specialist.
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> This document also represents a consideration of all the comments
>>> received with respect to the previous version - not that all of these were
>>> accepted, but a majority were taken on.
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> We apologize for the lateness of the document, but as you will notice
>>> we have put significant efforts into recasting this per the comments.
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> Bernard Turcotte
>>> >>
>>> >> ICANN Staff Support for the CCWG
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> for the CCWG Co-chairs.
>>> >>
>>> >>
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