[CCWG-ACCT] Fake astonishment towards a false interpretation

Sat Nov 14 22:54:01 UTC 2015

In that there is something approaching full consensus.
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Paul
Sent from myMail app for Android Saturday, 14 November 2015, 05:28PM -05:00 from Greg Shatan < gregshatanipc at gmail.com> :

>Your accusation that my reaction to your post is "fake" and "invented is insulting in the extreme.  I have already had one friend lose a colleague in the atrocities, and learned that a close family friend would have been at the Bataclan last night but for a change of plans.  I assure you that my reaction to your post as a response to a message about the Paris attacks is completely and utterly genuine.  
>
>To say that I and my colleagues have done something offensive borders on the deeply disturbed.
>
>I don't know what sick game you've come here to play, or what "cheap thrill" you get out of your interventions, but it has no place here.  We have work to do.
>
>I hope that our co-chairs and the Ombudsman will take swift and permanent action to ban Mr. Baione.  Indeed, I would go so far as to suggest a ban from all ICANN working groups, as he is clearly incorrigible.  
>
>On Sat, Nov 14, 2015 at 5:04 PM, Ron Baione via Accountability-Cross-Community  < accountability-cross-community at icann.org > wrote:
>>Roelof, Greg and Megan:
>>
>>Your invented astonishment at your own false reinterpretation of my relevant, sourced and researched response to Michael's topic, and your general lack of want to help create a better whistleblower process for ICANN, would be more offensive if your fake astonishment was genuine.
>>
>>Regards,
>>
>>Ron
>>
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>>From: Megan.Richards at ec.europa.eu < Megan.Richards at ec.europa.eu >; 
>>To: < gregshatanipc at gmail.com >; 
>>Cc: < accountability-cross-community at icann.org >; 
>>Subject: Re: [CCWG-ACCT] Mr. Baione 
>>Sent: Sat, Nov 14, 2015 9:10:33 PM 
>>
>>Indeed. Agree with Roelof, Greg and I suspect all others who find this inappropriate and offensive in the face of such wanton destruction of human lives. 
>>
>>Sent from my iPhone. Please excuse any typing errors 
>>
>>On 14 Nov 2015, at 18:06, Greg Shatan < gregshatanipc at gmail.com > wrote:
>>
>>>+1.  It 's bizarre and offensive for this to be posted in response to the atrocities in Paris, on the slender connection that an external whistleblower process for ICANN could lead to world peace.
>>>
>>>On Saturday, November 14, 2015, Roelof Meijer < Roelof.Meijer at sidn.nl > wrote:
>>>>Dear co-chairs,
>>>>
>>>>After having looked at both the subject and the content, I strongly suggest that Mr. Baione’s “come-back” is followed by a second but now definite expulsion from the list.
>>>>He ha s obviously no intention at all to behave differently.
>>>>
>>>>Best,
>>>>
>>>>Roelof Meijer
>>>>
>>>>From:  < accountability-cross-community-bounces at icann.org > on behalf of " accountability-cross-community at icann.org "
 < accountability-cross-community at icann.org >
>>>>Reply-To:  Ron Baione < ron.baione at yahoo.com >
>>>>Date:  zaterdag 14 november 2015 15:59
>>>>To:  Contact - Https Card - Internet Identity Card < contact at httpscard.com >, " accountability-cross-community at icann.org "
 < accountability-cross-community at icann.org >
>>>>Subject:  Re: [CCWG-ACCT] Paris Terrorist Attack
>>>>
>>>>Michael,
>>>>
>>>>I have been asking for the creation of an external whistleblower process to be added to workstream 2 discussions.
>>>>
>>>>The hopeful addition of an external whistleblower process in WorkStream 2 can be an additional and useful support line for the providing of important information from ICANN members to legally designated human rights organizations, so that if ICANN members feel
 pressured or intimidated in any way after the transition process is completed, multiple support mechanisms can be available, included into ICANN's transition proposal, and acting as a deterrance to all nefarious activity.
>>>>
>>>>For example:
>>>>
>>>>I am a hypothetical board member and in the post transition process someone tries to influence my ICANN votes and decisions with various intimidation tactics such as blackmail, instead of calling the current ICANN whisleblower "phone-line" or one of the entities
 listed above, I could instead call one of five randomly selected human rights organizations to get the word out to the greater internet community, a legally sanctioned process which would prevent an over-reliance on websites like "wikileaks". Such a deterrant
 to nefarious activity could last for as many decades as it takes to achieve world peace.
>>>>
>>>>Here is a link to the speeches and agenda from the recent 2nd Annual Ethos and Profession of Intelligence Conference, co-hosted by the Central Intelligence Agency on October 27, 2015. These speeches are given by relevant and supporting experts who make up one
 prominent line of support against nefarious activity, experts speak from the United States and elsewhere, speeches which I believe lend indirect support for additional legal whistleblower support mechanisms, as I have proposed:
>>>>
>>>>https://m.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL-bQ6_vfcE0793TlEHtB-5UAGltlwJrRu
>>>>
>>>>"Conference Agenda 
>>>>
>>>>Opening Remarks [9:00am - 9:20am]
>>>>John Brennan, Director, Central Intelligence Agency
>>>> 
>>>>21st Century Challenges: Denied Areas, Digital Domains, and Determined Adversaries
>>>>[9:20am-10:20am]
>>>>Gwen Ifill (moderator) - Moderator and Managing editor of Washington Week; Co-Anchor and Managing Editor, PBS NewsHour
>>>>John Brennan - Director, Central Intelligence Agency (CIA)
>>>>Adm. Mike Rogers - Commander, US Cyber Command; Director, National Security Agency (NSA), Chief, Central Security Service 
>>>>Robert Cardillo - Director, National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency (NGA)
>>>>Doug Wise - Deputy Director, Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA) 
>>>>21st Century Warning: What Should Policymakers Reasonably Expect? [10:20am-11:20am]
>>>>David Cohen (Moderator) - Deputy Director, CIA
>>>>Michèle Flournoy - Co-Founder and CEO, Center for a New American Security; Under Secretary of Defense for Policy (former)
>>>>Chris Kojm - Visiting Professor, Practice of International Affairs, The George Washington University
>>>>Gregory Treverton - Chairman, National Intelligence Council (NIC)
>>>>Remarks [1:00pm - 1:05pm] 
>>>>Dr. Steven Knapp - President, The George Washington University
>>>> 
>>>>Keynote Address [1:05pm - 1:30pm]
>>>>James Clapper, Director of National Intelligence
>>>>
>>>>Bridging 20th Century Law and 21st Century Intelligence [1:30pm - 2:30pm]
>>>>Ken Wainstein (Moderator) - Cadwalader, Wickersham & Taft LLP; Homeland Security Advisor, White House (former)
>>>>Orin Kerr - Fred C. Stevenson Research Professor of Law, The George Washington University
>>>>Caroline Krass - General Counsel, CIA
>>>>David Kris - General Counsel, Intellectual Ventures; Assistant Attorney General for National Security (former)
>>>>Benjamin Wittes - Senior Fellow in Governance Studies, Brookings Institution
>>>>21st Century Intelligence Officers: What Capabilities Do They Need to Fulfill the Mission? [2:30pm - 3:30pm]
>>>>Dr. Mike Vickers (Moderator) - Undersecretary of Defense for Intelligence (former)
>>>>Glenn Gaffney - Associate Director for Talent, CIA 
>>>>Evan Burfield - Co-Founder and Co-CEO, 1776
>>>>Diana Burley -
>>>>Executive Director and Chair, Institute for Information Infrastructure Protection (I3P); Professor, Human and Organizational Learning, The George Washington University
>>>>Andrew Hallman - Deputy Director, Digital Innovation, CIA
>>>>The Shared 21st Century International Mission - Partners in Security [4:00pm - 5:00pm]
>>>>David Ignatius (Moderator) -
>>>>Associate Editor and Columnist, The Washington Post
>>>>Yaakov Amirdror - Anne and Greg Rosshandler Senior Fellow, Begin-Sadat Center for Strategic Studies; Distinguished Fellow, Jewish Institute for National Security Affairs, Israeli National Security Advisor (former)
>>>>Bernard Bajolet - Director, French Directorate General for External Security (DGSE)
>>>>John Brennan - Director, CIA
>>>>John Sawers - Partner and Chairman, Macro Advisory Partners; Chief, Secret Intelligence Service (MI6) (former)
>>>>Closing Remarks [5:00pm - 5:20pm]
>>>>Judge William Webster, Director CIA (former), Director Federal Bureau of Investigation (former)"
>>>>
>>>>Ron
>>>>
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>>>>From: Contact - Https Card - Internet Identity Card < contact at httpscard.com >;
>>>>To: < accountability-cross-community at icann.org >;
>>>>Subject: [CCWG-ACCT] Paris Terrorist Attack
>>>>Sent: Sat, Nov 14, 2015 2:18:06 PM 
>>>>
>>>>As I 'm french and I live in Paris,
>>>>
>>>>I would like to thank all the people who support us after the terrorist 
>>>>attacks yesterday...
>>>>
>>>>My heart and my thoughts are with all the victims and their families.
>>>>
>>>>We will never forget and never forgive!
>>>>
>>>>Michael Benaudis
>>>>President
>>>>Https Card - Internet Identity Card
>>>>https://www.internetidentitycard.com
>>>>Official IIC:  https://www.httpscard.com/michaelbenaudis/
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