[CCWG-ACCT] Phony Hysteria used to exclude the disliked

Sun Nov 15 04:27:15 UTC 2015

As I said, I'm done feeding the troll. Translation: no matter how
provocative, offensive or outrageous you get, I'm not taking the bait.
Knock yourself out.

On Saturday, November 14, 2015, Ron Baione <ron.baione at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Articulate your objection Greg. You disrupted a valid and important
> discussion of WS2 issues. Who is the real troll? Look at megan's email, it
> doesn't even make grammatical sense. ICANN needs people who can make
> specific arguments, not vague whiners who try to generate manufacturered
> hysteria for King Leon with his phony generalized decrees.
>
> Ron
>
> ------------------------------
> * From: * Greg Shatan <gregshatanipc at gmail.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','gregshatanipc at gmail.com');>>;
> * To: * Ron Baione <ron.baione at yahoo.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','ron.baione at yahoo.com');>>;
> * Cc: * accountability <accountability-cross-community at icann.org
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','accountability-cross-community at icann.org');>>;
>
> * Subject: * Re: [CCWG-ACCT] Phony Hysteria used to exclude the disliked
> * Sent: * Sun, Nov 15, 2015 1:49:01 AM
>
> I'm done feeding the troll.  He seems to be self-sustaining (or
> self-immolating) anyway.
>
> On Saturday, November 14, 2015, Ron Baione via
> Accountability-Cross-Community <accountability-cross-community at icann.org>
> wrote:
>
>> Care to articulate what exactly it is that you found offensive? Or is
>> that the extent of your revisionism and manufactured hysteria? Your
>> so-called 'objections' were very vague, stating that my response was "in
>> the face of tragedy", but how so? Can you place your argument against my
>> email into a coherent sentence or even a paragraph, with specific
>> references? No, you can't, because your fake astonishment is a laughable
>> joke, built upon each successive vague objection.
>>
>> 10 vague objections toned of phony astonishment does not one specific,
>> well thought out objection make.
>>
>> Trying to have an intellectual discussion on this mailing list may
>> actually be impossible in my opinion. The last 15 days worth of emails have
>> been fun to read, everyone talking past each other, nothing getting
>> accomplished.
>>
>> Ron
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> * From: * Megan.Richards at ec.europa.eu <Megan.Richards at ec.europa.eu>;
>> * To: * <gregshatanipc at gmail.com>;
>> * Cc: * <accountability-cross-community at icann.org>;
>> * Subject: * Re: [CCWG-ACCT] Mr. Baione
>> * Sent: * Sat, Nov 14, 2015 9:10:33 PM
>>
>> Indeed. Agree with Roelof, Greg and I suspect all others who find this
>> inappropriate and offensive in the face of such wanton destruction of human
>> lives.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone. Please excuse any typing errors
>>
>> On 14 Nov 2015, at 18:06, Greg Shatan <gregshatanipc at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> +1.  It 's bizarre and offensive for this to be posted in response to the
>> atrocities in Paris, on the slender connection that an external
>> whistleblower process for ICANN could lead to world peace.
>>
>> On Saturday, November 14, 2015, Roelof Meijer <Roelof.Meijer at sidn.nl>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Dear co-chairs,
>>>
>>> After having looked at both the subject and the content, I strongly
>>> suggest that Mr. Baione’s “come-back” is followed by a second but now
>>> definite expulsion from the list.
>>> He has obviously no intention at all to behave differently.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>> Roelof Meijer
>>>
>>> From: <accountability-cross-community-bounces at icann.org> on behalf of "
>>> accountability-cross-community at icann.org" <
>>> accountability-cross-community at icann.org>
>>> Reply-To: Ron Baione <ron.baione at yahoo.com>
>>> Date: zaterdag 14 november 2015 15:59
>>> To: Contact - Https Card - Internet Identity Card <contact at httpscard.com>,
>>> "accountability-cross-community at icann.org" <
>>> accountability-cross-community at icann.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [CCWG-ACCT] Paris Terrorist Attack
>>>
>>> Michael,
>>>
>>> I have been asking for the creation of an external whistleblower process
>>> to be added to workstream 2 discussions.
>>>
>>> The hopeful addition of an external whistleblower process in WorkStream
>>> 2 can be an additional and useful support line for the providing of
>>> important information from ICANN members to legally designated human rights
>>> organizations, so that if ICANN members feel pressured or intimidated in
>>> any way after the transition process is completed, multiple support
>>> mechanisms can be available, included into ICANN's transition proposal, and
>>> acting as a deterrance to all nefarious activity.
>>>
>>> For example:
>>>
>>> I am a hypothetical board member and in the post transition process
>>> someone tries to influence my ICANN votes and decisions with various
>>> intimidation tactics such as blackmail, instead of calling the current
>>> ICANN whisleblower "phone-line" or one of the entities listed above, I
>>> could instead call one of five randomly selected human rights organizations
>>> to get the word out to the greater internet community, a legally sanctioned
>>> process which would prevent an over-reliance on websites like "wikileaks".
>>> Such a deterrant to nefarious activity could last for as many decades as it
>>> takes to achieve world peace.
>>>
>>> Here is a link to the speeches and agenda from the recent 2nd Annual
>>> Ethos and Profession of Intelligence Conference, co-hosted by the Central
>>> Intelligence Agency on October 27, 2015. These speeches are given by
>>> relevant and supporting experts who make up one prominent line of support
>>> against nefarious activity, experts speak from the United States and
>>> elsewhere, speeches which I believe lend indirect support for additional
>>> legal whistleblower support mechanisms, as I have proposed:
>>>
>>> https://m.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL-bQ6_vfcE0793TlEHtB-5UAGltlwJrRu
>>>
>>> "Conference Agenda
>>>
>>> Opening Remarks [9:00am - 9:20am]
>>> John Brennan, Director, Central Intelligence Agency
>>>
>>> 21st Century Challenges: Denied Areas, Digital Domains, and Determined
>>> Adversaries
>>> [9:20am-10:20am]
>>> Gwen Ifill (moderator) - Moderator and Managing editor of Washington
>>> Week; Co-Anchor and Managing Editor, PBS NewsHour
>>> John Brennan - Director, Central Intelligence Agency (CIA)
>>> Adm. Mike Rogers - Commander, US Cyber Command; Director, National
>>> Security Agency (NSA), Chief, Central Security Service
>>> Robert Cardillo - Director, National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency (NGA)
>>> Doug Wise - Deputy Director, Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA)
>>> 21st Century Warning: What Should Policymakers Reasonably Expect?
>>> [10:20am-11:20am]
>>> David Cohen (Moderator) - Deputy Director, CIA
>>> Michèle Flournoy - Co-Founder and CEO, Center for a New American
>>> Security; Under Secretary of Defense for Policy (former)
>>> Chris Kojm - Visiting Professor, Practice of International Affairs, The
>>> George Washington University
>>> Gregory Treverton - Chairman, National Intelligence Council (NIC)
>>> Remarks [1:00pm - 1:05pm]
>>> Dr. Steven Knapp - President, The George Washington University
>>>
>>> Keynote Address [1:05pm - 1:30pm]
>>> James Clapper, Director of National Intelligence
>>>
>>> Bridging 20th Century Law and 21st Century Intelligence [1:30pm - 2:30pm]
>>> Ken Wainstein (Moderator) - Cadwalader, Wickersham & Taft LLP; Homeland
>>> Security Advisor, White House (former)
>>> Orin Kerr - Fred C. Stevenson Research Professor of Law, The George
>>> Washington University
>>> Caroline Krass - General Counsel, CIA
>>> David Kris - General Counsel, Intellectual Ventures; Assistant Attorney
>>> General for National Security (former)
>>> Benjamin Wittes - Senior Fellow in Governance Studies, Brookings
>>> Institution
>>> 21st Century Intelligence Officers: What Capabilities Do They Need to
>>> Fulfill the Mission? [2:30pm - 3:30pm]
>>> Dr. Mike Vickers (Moderator) - Undersecretary of Defense for
>>> Intelligence (former)
>>> Glenn Gaffney - Associate Director for Talent, CIA
>>> Evan Burfield - Co-Founder and Co-CEO, 1776
>>> Diana Burley -
>>> Executive Director and Chair, Institute for Information Infrastructure
>>> Protection (I3P); Professor, Human and Organizational Learning, The George
>>> Washington University
>>> Andrew Hallman - Deputy Director, Digital Innovation, CIA
>>> The Shared 21st Century International Mission - Partners in Security
>>> [4:00pm - 5:00pm]
>>> David Ignatius (Moderator) -
>>> Associate Editor and Columnist, The Washington Post
>>> Yaakov Amirdror - Anne and Greg Rosshandler Senior Fellow, Begin-Sadat
>>> Center for Strategic Studies; Distinguished Fellow, Jewish Institute for
>>> National Security Affairs, Israeli National Security Advisor (former)
>>> Bernard Bajolet - Director, French Directorate General for External
>>> Security (DGSE)
>>> John Brennan - Director, CIA
>>> John Sawers - Partner and Chairman, Macro Advisory Partners; Chief,
>>> Secret Intelligence Service (MI6) (former)
>>> Closing Remarks [5:00pm - 5:20pm]
>>> Judge William Webster, Director CIA (former), Director Federal Bureau of
>>> Investigation (former)"
>>>
>>> Ron
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>> *From: *Contact - Https Card - Internet Identity Card <
>>> contact at httpscard.com>;
>>> *To: *<accountability-cross-community at icann.org>;
>>> *Subject: *[CCWG-ACCT] Paris Terrorist Attack
>>> *Sent: *Sat, Nov 14, 2015 2:18:06 PM
>>>
>>> As I 'm french and I live in Paris,
>>>
>>> I would like to thank all the people who support us after the terrorist
>>> attacks yesterday...
>>>
>>> My heart and my thoughts are with all the victims and their families.
>>>
>>> We will never forget and never forgive!
>>>
>>> Michael Benaudis
>>> President
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