[CCWG-ACCT] Notes-Recordings-Transcript links for CCWG ACCT Meeting #68 - 17 November

Wed Nov 18 23:55:45 UTC 2015

Hi everyone,

I'd like to clarify for the list that the proposal the CCWG approved at its
call yesterday does what Seun asks for: it does not allow the community to
veto a bylaws change related to a PDP.

Only if the SO that ran the PDP *itself* feels that the bylaws change is
flawed can a veto proceed. Otherwise the SO can prevent it.

The idea behind allowing the community discussion of a Conference Call
phases of the escalation path was so that the whole community could hear
the issues that were raised. But the veto is off the table.

There was good representation on the call yesterday from the SOs who this
primarily affects. I hope we can continue to regard the matter as closed.

best
Jordan

On 19 November 2015 at 12:38, Seun Ojedeji <seun.ojedeji at gmail.com> wrote:

> Dear Co-Chairs,
>
> I don't think it's appropriate to give an impression that what is said on
> the list does not matter unless one says it during the call. I clearly
> stated that what was proposed by Jordan required some reconsideration yet
> the minutes of the last call did not take note of that.
>
> *4. PDP interaction with Standard Bylaws Veto*
>
> ·        Proposal that PDP changes come through as a package.
>
> ·        Read the full proposal here:
> http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/accountability-cross-community/2015-November/008104.html
>
> ·        No objection to the proposal.
>
> Even though one expect the communities will not veto bylaw change that
> emanated from a PDP. It is procedurally wrong to subject outcome of a PDP
> to community veto. Providing such option opens up can of worms that those
> who have made this decision may not be there to resolve. The fact that the
> board approves a policy that emanated out of PDP (which is a bottom up
> process) implies board's commitment to implement the spirit of the policy
> and it is if/when the implementation is not rightly done that it should be
> questioned. Actual implementation of a policy SHOULD not be open to
> community veto! Even if the policy requires a bylaw change so long as it
> went through PDP and so long as board approves it, it should be final.
>
> Overall I think the CCWG is creating too much stumbling block to make an
> organisation board act efficiently.
>
> Regards
> Sent from my Asus Zenfone2
> Kindly excuse brevity and typos.
> On 17 Nov 2015 22:52, "Brenda Brewer" <brenda.brewer at icann.org> wrote:
>
>> Hello all,
>>
>>
>>
>> The notes, recordings and transcripts for CCWG ACCT meeting #68 - 17
>> November will be available here:  https://community.icann.org/x/h7VYAw
>>
>>
>>
>> A copy of the notes and action items may be found below.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thank you.
>>
>>
>>
>> Kind regards,
>>
>> Brenda
>>
>>
>> *Action Items*
>>
>> ·        *Action (CCWG Members):*
>> * Chartering Org appointed members to socialise the 'Dublin Update' with respective communities and *
>> *prepare for release of full proposal on 30 November. *
>>
>> ·        *Action (Becky/Chairs):*
>> * Provide an explicit certified description of the task and all of the considerations for legal counsel to incorporate in this *
>> *drafting exercise. *
>>
>> ·        *Action (Adler/Sidley): *
>> *Request that legal counsel review the language for the Mission, noting the group's preference and Sebastien's concern *
>> *for non-native English speakers. *
>>
>> ·        *Action (Jordan/WP1):*
>> * Send a written proposal to the CCWG mailing list describing the issue and the proposed solution(s). Include*
>>
>> *clarification on whether or not abstention is considered support or not. *
>> *Notes*
>>
>>
>> *These high-level notes are designed to help you navigate through content of the call and do not substitute in any way the transcript.*
>>
>> *1. Welcome, Roll Call, SOI*
>>
>> ·
>> Agenda slightly modifed in order, but the items remain the same as circulated earlier this week.
>>
>> ·        Samantha and Mathieu on audio only.
>>
>> *2. Opening Remarks*
>>
>> ·
>> Dublin Update published on Sunday (was originally labeled as a Summary, but considering the feedback on the list, the document was modified
>> slightly in purpose)
>>
>> ·
>> There are some outstanding items. These will be discussed on today's call.
>>
>> ·
>> This document is a communication tool for those outside the CCWG who have had a difficult time following the progress.
>>
>> ·
>> Support and endorsement of Chartering Orgs is critical to the success of the CCWG.
>>
>> *Action (CCWG Members):*
>>  Chartering Org appointed members to socialize the 'Dublin Update' with respective communities and prepare for release
>> of full proposal on 30 November.
>>
>> *3. Mission Discussion *
>>
>> ·
>> On the left is the language circulated immediately after Dublin (based on 2nd Draft Proposal).
>>
>> ·
>> Since then, the discussion has evolved to present different alternatives (one from Andrew Sullivan, one from Shatan/Mueller/Bladel and one from Mueller).
>>
>> ·        Support for Alternative 1 language.
>>
>> ·
>> Add "ICANN shall have the ability to negotiate, enter into and enforce agreements with contracted parties
>> *[in service of / in so far as these *
>>
>> *agreements are consistent with /in furtherance of / consistent with/ in performing] *
>> its Mission.". This group's preference was "*in service of*"
>>
>> *Action (Becky/Chairs)*
>> : Provide an explicit certified description of the task and all of the considerations for legal counsel to incorporate in this
>> drafting exercise.
>>
>> *Action (Adler/Sidley):* Request that legal counsel review the language for the Mission, noting the group's preference and Sebastien's concern for non-native English speakers.
>>
>>
>> *4. PDP interaction with Standard Bylaws Veto*
>>
>> ·        Proposal that PDP changes come through as a package.
>>
>> ·        Read the full proposal here:
>> http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/accountability-cross-community/2015-November/008104.html
>>
>> ·        No objection to the proposal.
>>
>> *5. Decision-making  - thresholds of support*
>>
>> ·
>> There is no document for this issue, but there has been discussion on list.
>>
>> ·
>> If the GAC does not participate in the community mechanism, the thresholds currently in place would require unanimous participation.
>>
>> ·
>> GAC position currently: GAC will take a position when we have the position on the paper. Until then, the GAC has consensus
>> input on the second draft report.
>>
>> *Action*
>>  (Jordan/WP1): Send a written proposal to the CCWG mailing list describing the issue and the proposed solution(s). Include
>> clarification on whether or not abstention is considered support or not.
>>
>> *6.  ST-18 subgroup update *
>>
>> ·        The first ST-18 subgroup call was yesterday.
>>
>> ·        Another call scheduled for tomorrow (Wednesday) at 13:00 UTC.
>>
>> ·
>> The goal is to come back to the CCWG by next Monday at the latest (so that results are ready for the CCWG call on Tuesday).
>>
>> *7.  Timeline Discussion*
>>
>> ·        21 – 23 Nov-15 Feedback from CCWG
>>
>> ·        23-Nov-15 Final comments on Full Proposal content due from CCWG
>> by midnight UTC
>>
>> ·        24 – 25 Nov  Finalizing content (send to translation/formatting
>> at midnight UTC on 25th)
>>
>> ·        30-Nov-15 Beginning of Public Comment Phase 2 (and begin
>> professional proofreading/final editing)
>>
>> ·        12 -Dec-15 Anticipated date for delivery of translations
>>
>> ·        21-Dec-15 Public comment ends
>>
>> ·        24-Dec-15 Staff summary of public comment for review
>>
>> *8.  AOB*
>>
>> *n/a*
>>
>>
>>
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