[CCWG-ACCT] Notes-Recordings-Transcript links for CCWG ACCT Meeting #68 - 17 November

Thu Nov 19 05:50:04 UTC 2015

Dear Jordan

Now I see this discussion has been closed in a record time. Wasn't the proposal not only presented the 17.11.?
I fear that the solution proposed leaves some open questions as I pointed out in my email on that proposal.

regards

Jorge

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Am 19.11.2015 um 00:56 schrieb Jordan Carter <jordan at internetnz.net.nz<mailto:jordan at internetnz.net.nz>>:

Hi everyone,

I'd like to clarify for the list that the proposal the CCWG approved at its call yesterday does what Seun asks for: it does not allow the community to veto a bylaws change related to a PDP.

Only if the SO that ran the PDP itself feels that the bylaws change is flawed can a veto proceed. Otherwise the SO can prevent it.

The idea behind allowing the community discussion of a Conference Call phases of the escalation path was so that the whole community could hear the issues that were raised. But the veto is off the table.

There was good representation on the call yesterday from the SOs who this primarily affects. I hope we can continue to regard the matter as closed.

best
Jordan

On 19 November 2015 at 12:38, Seun Ojedeji <seun.ojedeji at gmail.com<mailto:seun.ojedeji at gmail.com>> wrote:

Dear Co-Chairs,

I don't think it's appropriate to give an impression that what is said on the list does not matter unless one says it during the call. I clearly stated that what was proposed by Jordan required some reconsideration yet the minutes of the last call did not take note of that.

4. PDP interaction with Standard Bylaws Veto

·        Proposal that PDP changes come through as a package.

·        Read the full proposal here: http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/accountability-cross-community/2015-November/008104.html

·        No objection to the proposal.

Even though one expect the communities will not veto bylaw change that emanated from a PDP. It is procedurally wrong to subject outcome of a PDP to community veto. Providing such option opens up can of worms that those who have made this decision may not be there to resolve. The fact that the board approves a policy that emanated out of PDP (which is a bottom up process) implies board's commitment to implement the spirit of the policy and it is if/when the implementation is not rightly done that it should be questioned. Actual implementation of a policy SHOULD not be open to community veto! Even if the policy requires a bylaw change so long as it went through PDP and so long as board approves it, it should be final.

Overall I think the CCWG is creating too much stumbling block to make an organisation board act efficiently.

Regards
Sent from my Asus Zenfone2
Kindly excuse brevity and typos.

On 17 Nov 2015 22:52, "Brenda Brewer" <brenda.brewer at icann.org<mailto:brenda.brewer at icann.org>> wrote:
Hello all,

The notes, recordings and transcripts for CCWG ACCT meeting #68 - 17 November will be available here:  https://community.icann.org/x/h7VYAw

A copy of the notes and action items may be found below.

Thank you.

Kind regards,
Brenda

Action Items
•        Action (CCWG Members): Chartering Org appointed members to socialise the 'Dublin Update' with respective communities and
prepare for release of full proposal on 30 November.
•        Action (Becky/Chairs): Provide an explicit certified description of the task and all of the considerations for legal counsel to incorporate in this
drafting exercise.
•        Action (Adler/Sidley): Request that legal counsel review the language for the Mission, noting the group's preference and Sebastien's concern
for non-native English speakers.
•        Action (Jordan/WP1): Send a written proposal to the CCWG mailing list describing the issue and the proposed solution(s). Include
clarification on whether or not abstention is considered support or not.
Notes

These high-level notes are designed to help you navigate through content of the call and do not substitute in any way the transcript.

1. Welcome, Roll Call, SOI
•        Agenda slightly modifed in order, but the items remain the same as circulated earlier this week.
•        Samantha and Mathieu on audio only.

2. Opening Remarks
•        Dublin Update published on Sunday (was originally labeled as a Summary, but considering the feedback on the list, the document was modified
slightly in purpose)
•        There are some outstanding items. These will be discussed on today's call.
•        This document is a communication tool for those outside the CCWG who have had a difficult time following the progress.
•        Support and endorsement of Chartering Orgs is critical to the success of the CCWG.

Action (CCWG Members): Chartering Org appointed members to socialize the 'Dublin Update' with respective communities and prepare for release
of full proposal on 30 November.

3. Mission Discussion
•        On the left is the language circulated immediately after Dublin (based on 2nd Draft Proposal).
•        Since then, the discussion has evolved to present different alternatives (one from Andrew Sullivan, one from Shatan/Mueller/Bladel and one from Mueller).
•        Support for Alternative 1 language.
•        Add "ICANN shall have the ability to negotiate, enter into and enforce agreements with contracted parties [in service of / in so far as these
agreements are consistent with /in furtherance of / consistent with/ in performing] its Mission.". This group's preference was "in service of"

Action (Becky/Chairs): Provide an explicit certified description of the task and all of the considerations for legal counsel to incorporate in this
drafting exercise.

Action (Adler/Sidley): Request that legal counsel review the language for the Mission, noting the group's preference and Sebastien's concern for non-native English speakers.

4. PDP interaction with Standard Bylaws Veto
•        Proposal that PDP changes come through as a package.
•        Read the full proposal here: http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/accountability-cross-community/2015-November/008104.html
•        No objection to the proposal.

5. Decision-making  - thresholds of support
•        There is no document for this issue, but there has been discussion on list.
•        If the GAC does not participate in the community mechanism, the thresholds currently in place would require unanimous participation.
•        GAC position currently: GAC will take a position when we have the position on the paper. Until then, the GAC has consensus
input on the second draft report.

Action (Jordan/WP1): Send a written proposal to the CCWG mailing list describing the issue and the proposed solution(s). Include
clarification on whether or not abstention is considered support or not.

6.  ST-18 subgroup update
•        The first ST-18 subgroup call was yesterday.
•        Another call scheduled for tomorrow (Wednesday) at 13:00 UTC.
•        The goal is to come back to the CCWG by next Monday at the latest (so that results are ready for the CCWG call on Tuesday).

7.  Timeline Discussion
•        21 – 23 Nov-15 Feedback from CCWG
•        23-Nov-15 Final comments on Full Proposal content due from CCWG by midnight UTC
•        24 – 25 Nov  Finalizing content (send to translation/formatting at midnight UTC on 25th)
•        30-Nov-15 Beginning of Public Comment Phase 2 (and begin professional proofreading/final editing)
•        12 -Dec-15 Anticipated date for delivery of translations
•        21-Dec-15 Public comment ends
•        24-Dec-15 Staff summary of public comment for review

8.  AOB

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