[CCWG-ACCT] Timeline and next steps (updated)

Salaets, Ken ksalaets at itic.org
Fri Nov 20 15:18:49 UTC 2015


Kavouss, you misinterpreted Avri's comment, and should consider apologizing.  You may want to contact her or others directly the next time before posting what could easily be (mis)interpreted as a threat.  Onward.

Ken



> On Nov 20, 2015, at 9:25 AM, Avri Doria <avri at acm.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I think I was not clear.
> 
> what i meant was:
> 
> we have not worried about other nation's holidays,
> therefore
> we should not be worrying about US holidays
> 
> hopefully the does not not offend or humiliate you.
> 
> avri
> 
> 
>> On 20-Nov-15 01:54, Kavouss Arasteh wrote:
>> Avri,
>> It is selfish that you said you do not worry about other Nations, holiday.
>> Why other Nations should be worried about your holiday.
>> This is offensive and humiliation
>> Pls correct your statement before I escalate it to the highest level in the world including media
>> Kavouss.
>> 
>>  .
>> .
>> .
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On 19 Nov 2015, at 19:23, Avri Doria <avri at acm.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> I would point out that we have not worried about other nations' holidays
>>> quite as much as we seem to be worrying about this one.
>>> 
>>> Perhaps if we schedule it for the nether hours (0100 - 0600) in the
>>> continental US, it won't interfere with anyone's holiday schedule.
>>> 
>>> avri
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On 19-Nov-15 10:55, Paul Rosenzweig wrote:
>>>> Nigel
>>>> 
>>>> I use "close to the border" to accommodate the possibility that our
>>>> co-chairs, who are non-American, simply did not realize how utterly
>>>> unrealistic that proposal is for a holiday meeting.  I, for one, will not
>>>> attend nor even consider attending and I'm on the borderline of urging my
>>>> fellow Americans to boycott.
>>>> 
>>>> As for the broader point about the rapid pace of what we are doing, I
>>>> actually have a bit of sympathy for the co-chairs.  They are under immense
>>>> pressure to keep this moving from ICANN and NTIA and they (and others in the
>>>> community) are possessed of the mistaken belief that there is something
>>>> magical about our current time line, as if failing to meet it will turn us
>>>> all into pumpkins.  As to =that= aspect of it, I agree with you that it is
>>>> quite deliberate; quite exclusionary; and quite unfortunate.  
>>>> 
>>>> To be candid, I would not object to the pace if I did not perceive that it
>>>> was actually creating error -- error in process and error in substance.  On
>>>> the process side we have:
>>>> 
>>>> -- Cutting comment period from traditional 40 days to 21 (for a report that
>>>> will SIGNIFICANTLY diverge from the two earlier drafts in many ways, thereby
>>>> increasing, rather than decreasing the need for thoughtful review by the
>>>> community);
>>>> -- Reducing comment period for non-English speakers to 9 days;
>>>> -- Effectively eliminating ability of dissenters to formally voice
>>>> objections by scheduling.
>>>> 
>>>> On the substantive side we have:
>>>> -- Put off development of the IRP ("the crown jewel" of our proposal) to a
>>>> post-transition implementation team;
>>>> -- Moved to finalize a draft report by TOMORROW 2359 UTC when there is still
>>>> utter lack of consensus on two critical issues, viz:
>>>>   -- Role of GAC/ST-18
>>>>   -- Mission statement of ICANN (the "other critical pillar") of our
>>>> proposal.
>>>> 
>>>> Perhaps these concerns can be fixed in the drafting, but I doubt it.  We are
>>>> now perilously close to acting in a way that calls the fundamental
>>>> legitimacy of our work product into question.  The phrase in carpentry is
>>>> "measure twice; cut once"
>>>> 
>>>> I apologize to the list for the somewhat angry tone of this note -- but the
>>>> Thanksgiving call proposal is for me just the straw that breaks the camel's
>>>> back.
>>>> 
>>>> Paul
>>>> 
>>>> Paul Rosenzweig
>>>> paul.rosenzweig at redbranchconsulting.com
>>>> O: +1 (202) 547-0660
>>>> M: +1 (202) 329-9650
>>>> VOIP: +1 (202) 738-1739
>>>> Skype: paul.rosenzweig1066
>>>> Link to my PGP Key
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Nigel Roberts [mailto:nigel at channelisles.net]
>>>> Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2015 9:48 AM
>>>> To: accountability-cross-community at icann.org
>>>> Subject: Re: [CCWG-ACCT] Timeline and next steps (updated)
>>>> 
>>>> Paul
>>>> 
>>>> What do you mean 'close to the border'.
>>>> 
>>>> I know I'm only a Participant, and not a Member, but I don't care if its
>>>> deliberate or not.
>>>> 
>>>> What matters is the EFFECT not the motivation.
>>>> 
>>>> So I say it *IS* exclusionary.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Since, to borrow a phrase, "I have to work for a living".
>>>> (In other words I have an already-scheduled meeting)
>>>> 
>>>> These deadlines are artificial, and DESIGNED to be exclusionary, so why are
>>>> you surprised?
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On 19/11/15 14:39, Paul Rosenzweig wrote:
>>>>> Really?  You are going to have a critical review call on Thanksgiving
>>>>> day?  I know this is a bit US-centric of me but this goes beyond the
>>>>> bounds of my tolerance.  I have no standing to object, but this is
>>>>> pretty close to the border of being deliberately exclusionary.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Paul
>>>>> 
>>>>> Paul Rosenzweig
>>>>> 
>>>>> paul.rosenzweig at redbranchconsulting.com
>>>>> <mailto:paul.rosenzweigesq at redbranchconsulting.com>
>>>>> 
>>>>> O: +1 (202) 547-0660
>>>>> 
>>>>> M: +1 (202) 329-9650
>>>>> 
>>>>> VOIP: +1 (202) 738-1739
>>>>> 
>>>>> Skype: paul.rosenzweig1066
>>>>> 
>>>>> Link to my PGP Key
>>>> <http://www.redbranchconsulting.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=articl
>>>> e&id=19&Itemid=9>
>>>>> *From:*León Felipe Sánchez Ambía [mailto:leonfelipe at sanchez.mx]
>>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, November 19, 2015 8:21 AM
>>>>> *To:* Accountability Cross Community
>>>>> <accountability-cross-community at icann.org>
>>>>> *Cc:* cc staff all <cc-staff at lists.ibiblio.org>
>>>>> *Subject:* [CCWG-ACCT] Timeline and next steps (updated)
>>>>> 
>>>>> An earlier version of this email was sent mistakenly so please disregard
>>>>> the earlier version and have this version as the final version.
>>>>> 
>>>>> =================
>>>>> 
>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>> 
>>>>> As indicated on call #68, we have designed a detailed roadmap of key
>>>>> dates and milestones toward finalizing theThird Draft Proposal that we
>>>>> invite you to read and mark in your calendars.
>>>>> 
>>>>> In order to meet our 30 November deadline, it will be important that we
>>>>> all comply with this calendar of deliverables to ensure feedback and
>>>>> edits are incorporated into the Third Proposal in a prompt and
>>>>> appropriate fashion:
>>>>> 
>>>>> 20-Nov-15
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Full Proposal content is delivered to CCWG by 23:59 UTC
>>>>> 
>>>>> 21-23 Nov-15
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> CCWG Co-Chairs and Rapporteurs gather feedback from Working Party
>>>>> groups, legal counsel and Advisors
>>>>> 
>>>>> 23-Nov-15
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> CCWG final comments on Full Proposal content due  by 23:59 UTC
>>>>> 
>>>>> 24-Nov-15
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Weekly call #69
>>>>> 
>>>>> 24-25-Nov 15
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Back and forth and finalizing content with Co-Chairs, Writing team
>>>>> holding the pen
>>>>> 
>>>>> 25-Nov-15
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Content due to translation / formatting by 23:59 UTC
>>>>> 
>>>>> 26-Nov-15
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Additional CCWG-ACCT call (call #70)
>>>>> 
>>>>> 30-Nov-15
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Begin Phase 2 of Consideration by Chartering Organizations
>>>>> 
>>>>> 30-Nov-15
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Begin professional proofreading/final editing
>>>>> 
>>>>> 12 -Dec-15
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Translations ready
>>>>> 
>>>>> 20-Dec-15
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Delivery of final proofreading/editing
>>>>> 
>>>>> 21-Dec-15
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> End of public comment and first close for Chartering Organizations to
>>>>> indicate support for recommendations
>>>>> 
>>>>> 24-Dec-15
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Staff summary of public comments and Chartering Organization support for
>>>>> recommendation
>>>>> 
>>>>> Please note that in consideration of the work load, we recommend holding
>>>>> an additional next week on Thursday  26 November at 14:00-16:00 UTC. For
>>>>> US-based colleagues, the timeslot was selected so that it is early in
>>>>> day for you in consideration of the U.S. holiday.
>>>>> 
>>>>> We recognize that we are operating under tight deadlines to produce our
>>>>> Third Draft Proposal and as always, thank you for your cooperation and
>>>>> hard work.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Best regards
>>>>> 
>>>>> Mathieu, Thomas, León
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
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