[CCWG-ACCT] Minority statements inclusion in report
Seun Ojedeji
seun.ojedeji at gmail.com
Mon Nov 30 18:02:49 UTC 2015
Hello,
With respect; one of the problem in this process is that there has been
quite a lot of unnecessary mis-interpretation, attacks and some level of
attempts to intimidate. Some of us have continued to participate
irrespective of this (perhaps because we are more tolerating) but i can
assure you that a number of people may have been affected/discouraged by
such acts.
All that I have suggested is that Minority statements be attributed
appropriately, so those who have not been following can put things in
perspective. I have no idea of the difficulty in doing that; since a member
is representing chartering organization and intends to write on-behalf,
then he/she should word the statement as such. It just seem like a logical
thing to do. However, as you have rightly stated, I am just a participant
and my suggestion can of-course be discarded.
All from me on this subject.
Regards
On Mon, Nov 30, 2015 at 6:31 PM, Nigel Roberts <nigel at channelisles.net>
wrote:
> Seun
>
> There is no practical way anyone in the Chartering Organisations can have
> followed even a scintilla of this insane process.
>
> We (the chartering organisations) appoint Members. That's representative
> democracy.
>
> You and I are mere participants, are we not, and I think we owe it to the
> process (such as remains of it) not to try and tell the Members how to do
> the job they were appointed to do.
>
> I shall, at least, refrain, from that (much as I would like to).
>
> On 30/11/15 16:23, Seun Ojedeji wrote:
>
>> On Mon, Nov 30, 2015 at 4:53 PM, Mueller, Milton L <milton at gatech.edu
>> <mailto:milton at gatech.edu>> wrote:
>>
>> FWIW, Robin’s dissent is fully in line with the official comments
>> submitted by the Noncommercial Stakeholders Group during the last
>> public comment period.
>>
>>
>> SO: Thats fine, especially if the NCSG still believes that the concerns
>> raised during the second public comment has still not been addressed.
>> Therefore, I would expect some of the wordings of Robin's mail to be
>> written with a "collective" sense to it (e.g "..Additionally, *I* object
>> to...", would have read "...Additionally, *We* object to...") or there
>> should be a line/footer indicating that the "individual" view has been
>> endorsed by the NCSG or even by the GNSO (if applicable as NCSG is not
>> solely a chartering organization per-see[1])
>>
>> My goal is not to determine whether a minority statement is right or
>> wrong, my main point is that we ensure individual opinions are clearly
>> differentiated from Chartering organization opinions as the document is
>> expected to communicate to those who may not have been following this
>> process. This is somewhat our last shot and it should communicate
>> intent as much as possible.
>>
>> Regards
>> 1. https://community.icann.org/display/acctcrosscomm/Charter
>>
>> ____
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>> *From:*accountability-cross-community-bounces at icann.org
>> <mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces at icann.org>
>> [mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces at icann.org
>> <mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces at icann.org>] *On
>> Behalf Of *Robin Gross
>> *Sent:* Sunday, November 29, 2015 6:41 PM
>> *To:* Thomas Rickert
>> *Cc:* accountability-cross-community at icann.org
>> <mailto:accountability-cross-community at icann.org> Community
>> *Subject:* Re: [CCWG-ACCT] Minority statements inclusion in report____
>>
>> __ __
>>
>> Thanks, Thomas. See below.____
>>
>> __ __
>>
>> *Dissenting Opinion of Member Robin Gross (GNSO-NSCG)*____
>>
>> __ __
>>
>> The CCWG-Accountability make a number of helpful recommendations to
>> improve organizational accountability at ICANN, however one aspect
>> of the plan is deeply flawed: changing the role of ICANN's
>> Governmental Advisory Committee (GAC) from purely an “advisory” role
>> to a “decision making” role over fundamental matters at ICANN,
>> including its governance. Consequently the proposal marginalizes
>> the role of Supporting Organizations (SO’s) compared to today’s
>> ICANN governance structure. The degree of governmental empowerment
>> over ICANN resulting from the proposal’s community mechanism is
>> dangerous to the success of the proposal’s political acceptance as
>> well as to its ultimate impact on a free and open Internet.____
>>
>> __ __
>>
>> The creation of a community mechanism to hold ICANN accountable on
>> key issues made a critical error by departing from the existing
>> power balance between SO’s and AC’s as determined by relative board
>> appointments. Instead, the proposed community mechanism elevates
>> the AC’s relative to the SO’s compared with today’s balance on
>> ICANN's board of directors, which does not currently provide a
>> decision making role to GAC, and which retains the primacy of the
>> Supporting Organizations on key decisions, particularly those within
>> the SO’s mandate. The devaluing of the Supporting Organizations in
>> ICANN’s key decisions was a common theme in both previous public
>> comment periods, however the recommendations not only failed to
>> address this widespread concern, but went even further in devaluing
>> SO’s in the community mechanism in the 3rd report. The community
>> mechanism failed to take into account the appropriate roles and
>> responsibilities of the various SO’s and AC’s, and the dangers
>> inherent in changing those roles with a “one size fits all” approach
>> to critical decision making. ____
>>
>> __ __
>>
>> Additionally, I object to the proposed departure from ICANN’s
>> typical 30-day public comment period on the 3rd report for
>> CCWG-Accountability. The 3rd report’s public comment only allows
>> for 9 days of public comment after the language translations are
>> scheduled to be published, which is far too short of a public
>> comment period for a report of this significance and with so many
>> important changes since previous drafts.____
>>
>> __ __
>>
>> Robin Gross____
>>
>> __ __
>>
>> On Nov 29, 2015, at 1:29 PM, Thomas Rickert <thomas at rickert.net
>> <mailto:thomas at rickert.net>> wrote:____
>>
>> __ __
>>
>> Dear Robin,____
>>
>> as discussed during the last CCWG call, minority statements will
>> be included in the report as appendices if and when they are
>> received.____
>>
>> __ __
>>
>> Best,____
>>
>> Thomas ____
>>
>> __ __
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>> ---____
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>> rickert.net <http://rickert.net/>____
>>
>> __ __
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>>
>> Am 29.11.2015 um 21:37 schrieb Robin Gross <robin at ipjustice.org
>> <mailto:robin at ipjustice.org>>:____
>>
>> Dear Co-Chairs,
>>
>> I have still not received a response to this request. What
>> is the process for submitting minority statements? Please
>> advise.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Robin
>>
>>
>>
>> ____
>>
>> On Nov 11, 2015, at 5:35 PM, Robin Gross
>> <robin at ipjustice.org <mailto:robin at ipjustice.org>>
>> wrote:____
>>
>> __ __
>>
>> Dear Co-Chairs,____
>>
>> __ __
>>
>> Could you please advise on the proposed schedule and
>> process for ensuring that minority statements will be
>> included in the report [of the executive summary]?____
>>
>> __ __
>>
>> Thank you,____
>>
>> Robin____
>>
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