[CCWG-ACCT] Is it reasonable to avoid new mechanisms?
Avri Doria
avri at acm.org
Mon Oct 5 14:49:07 UTC 2015
Hi,
What about the idea of recasting the SM to work on a consensus model
instead of voting?
The info we got from Sidley/Adler indicates that this should be
possible. Then instead of working on votes we can work on
Recommendations and Advice objections to gauge consensus (e.g. no more
that 1 SO recommends against + 1 AC advises against)
Note: I personally accept that constant outreach, a place for anyone in
an ACSO and open comment period in the 6 UN languages meets the
condition for a viable global model of participation.
avri
On 05-Oct-15 10:31, Kavouss Arasteh wrote:
> Jordan,
> We should not pusjh to a particular model SMM while we have
> disagreement a) from the Board and b) from people among CCWG ,in
> partzicular, if the voting arrangements are maintained and if most of
> the ACs refrain to pop in/ or opt for voting and c) indication from
> others that with such voting by the ACs the balance between the
> private sectors and others, on the one hand, and governments on the
> other hand is c ompromised,
> We need to listen to each others and not to few that have already
> agreed to SMM.
> Pls kindly understand that there is diverghence of views .$
> Let us find out a consensus along the line that was proposed by Stev
> and amended by me
> Tks
> Kavouss
>
> 2015-10-05 16:25 GMT+02:00 Kavouss Arasteh <kavouss.arasteh at gmail.com
> <mailto:kavouss.arasteh at gmail.com>>:
>
>
>
> 2015-10-05 15:38 GMT+02:00 Matthew Shears <mshears at cdt.org
> <mailto:mshears at cdt.org>>:
>
> + 1 also
>
> On 05/10/2015 13:54, James M. Bladel wrote:
>> +1.
>>
>> Any claims that we must abbreviate accountability reforms in
>> order to fit the IANA transition timeline has those two
>> priorities reversed.
>>
>> Sent via iPhone. Blame Siri.
>>
>>
>> On Oct 2, 2015, at 19:44, Jordan Carter
>> <jordan at internetnz.net.nz <mailto:jordan at internetnz.net.nz>>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks Avri for this nice statement of one of the key
>>> dilemmas facing this group.
>>>
>>> The divergence between:
>>>
>>> - the transition can't happen until accountability is
>>> sustainable, and so that requires the member model as a
>>> foundation
>>>
>>> and
>>>
>>> - the transition can't happen if there is a significant
>>> change such as that to a member model, and so that requires
>>> ruling out the member model
>>>
>>>
>>> is quite stark.
>>>
>>> FWIW my instincts are in line with Avri's. If ICANN's
>>> current level of accountability was acceptable, the
>>> community would not have demanded an accountability process
>>> alongside the transition process, and NTIA would not have
>>> agreed the two had to be intertwined and interrelated.
>>>
>>>
>>> cheers
>>> Jordan
>>>
>>>
>>> On 1 October 2015 at 10:38, Avri Doria <avri at acm.org
>>> <mailto:avri at acm.org>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> The Board's critique rests on a notion that the
>>> introduction of
>>> anything new in the ICANN system will be a destabilizing
>>> factor and most
>>> be avoided.
>>>
>>> This ignores the fact that by removing the NTIA backstop
>>> we destabilize
>>> the current system. It might have been possible to find
>>> a new balance
>>> (not that the old worked that well given the amount of
>>> discontent that
>>> existed prior to the CCWG process) by tweaking the
>>> system. The early
>>> work of the CCWG, however, showed that this was not
>>> enough. So we
>>> decided to bring back a notion that existed in the early
>>> ICANN design,
>>> the idea of membership. Membership has always been part
>>> of the kit that
>>> was available to ICANN in the multistakeholder model.
>>> An initial
>>> experiment met with some issues and instead of fixing
>>> that then, they
>>> threw the notion away without exploring possible tweaks
>>> to the system.
>>> As a result we are living in ICANN 2.0, a system that
>>> was imposed in a
>>> top down manner and one that was never fully accepted by
>>> those at the
>>> bottom.
>>>
>>> Now, albeit in a very different configuration, the CCWG
>>> is proposing to
>>> establish a community consensus based idea of
>>> membership. I believe that
>>> this should be given a fair analysis before rejecting
>>> it. It is also
>>> important to remember that the NTIA requirements were
>>> not a prohibition
>>> of new mechanisms or structures, but rather evidence
>>> that these
>>> structure did not increase the current risk, or fact, of
>>> capture and
>>> that they could be held to account.
>>>
>>> The Board criticism is important to look at for
>>> arguments that show the
>>> areas in which the CCWG plan either does not explain its
>>> protections
>>> against capture and its accountability checks and
>>> balances or may have
>>> gaps in these areas. If we cannot explain what we
>>> propose, or cannot
>>> close the gaps, then it becomes time to consider
>>> variations on the model
>>> or another model altogether. In my opinion, we are not
>>> there.
>>>
>>> avri
>>>
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