[CCWG-ACCT] Is it reasonable to avoid new mechanisms?
Jorge.Cancio at bakom.admin.ch
Jorge.Cancio at bakom.admin.ch
Mon Oct 5 15:12:04 UTC 2015
Sounds like an idea worth pursuing :-)
regards
Jorge
Von meinem iPhone gesendet
> Am 05.10.2015 um 16:52 schrieb Avri Doria <avri at acm.org>:
>
> Hi,
>
> What about the idea of recasting the SM to work on a consensus model
> instead of voting?
>
> The info we got from Sidley/Adler indicates that this should be
> possible. Then instead of working on votes we can work on
> Recommendations and Advice objections to gauge consensus (e.g. no more
> that 1 SO recommends against + 1 AC advises against)
>
> Note: I personally accept that constant outreach, a place for anyone in
> an ACSO and open comment period in the 6 UN languages meets the
> condition for a viable global model of participation.
>
> avri
>
>> On 05-Oct-15 10:31, Kavouss Arasteh wrote:
>> Jordan,
>> We should not pusjh to a particular model SMM while we have
>> disagreement a) from the Board and b) from people among CCWG ,in
>> partzicular, if the voting arrangements are maintained and if most of
>> the ACs refrain to pop in/ or opt for voting and c) indication from
>> others that with such voting by the ACs the balance between the
>> private sectors and others, on the one hand, and governments on the
>> other hand is c ompromised,
>> We need to listen to each others and not to few that have already
>> agreed to SMM.
>> Pls kindly understand that there is diverghence of views .$
>> Let us find out a consensus along the line that was proposed by Stev
>> and amended by me
>> Tks
>> Kavouss
>>
>> 2015-10-05 16:25 GMT+02:00 Kavouss Arasteh <kavouss.arasteh at gmail.com
>> <mailto:kavouss.arasteh at gmail.com>>:
>>
>>
>>
>> 2015-10-05 15:38 GMT+02:00 Matthew Shears <mshears at cdt.org
>> <mailto:mshears at cdt.org>>:
>>
>> + 1 also
>>
>>> On 05/10/2015 13:54, James M. Bladel wrote:
>>> +1.
>>>
>>> Any claims that we must abbreviate accountability reforms in
>>> order to fit the IANA transition timeline has those two
>>> priorities reversed.
>>>
>>> Sent via iPhone. Blame Siri.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Oct 2, 2015, at 19:44, Jordan Carter
>>> <jordan at internetnz.net.nz <mailto:jordan at internetnz.net.nz>>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thanks Avri for this nice statement of one of the key
>>>> dilemmas facing this group.
>>>>
>>>> The divergence between:
>>>>
>>>> - the transition can't happen until accountability is
>>>> sustainable, and so that requires the member model as a
>>>> foundation
>>>>
>>>> and
>>>>
>>>> - the transition can't happen if there is a significant
>>>> change such as that to a member model, and so that requires
>>>> ruling out the member model
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> is quite stark.
>>>>
>>>> FWIW my instincts are in line with Avri's. If ICANN's
>>>> current level of accountability was acceptable, the
>>>> community would not have demanded an accountability process
>>>> alongside the transition process, and NTIA would not have
>>>> agreed the two had to be intertwined and interrelated.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> cheers
>>>> Jordan
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 1 October 2015 at 10:38, Avri Doria <avri at acm.org
>>>> <mailto:avri at acm.org>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> The Board's critique rests on a notion that the
>>>> introduction of
>>>> anything new in the ICANN system will be a destabilizing
>>>> factor and most
>>>> be avoided.
>>>>
>>>> This ignores the fact that by removing the NTIA backstop
>>>> we destabilize
>>>> the current system. It might have been possible to find
>>>> a new balance
>>>> (not that the old worked that well given the amount of
>>>> discontent that
>>>> existed prior to the CCWG process) by tweaking the
>>>> system. The early
>>>> work of the CCWG, however, showed that this was not
>>>> enough. So we
>>>> decided to bring back a notion that existed in the early
>>>> ICANN design,
>>>> the idea of membership. Membership has always been part
>>>> of the kit that
>>>> was available to ICANN in the multistakeholder model.
>>>> An initial
>>>> experiment met with some issues and instead of fixing
>>>> that then, they
>>>> threw the notion away without exploring possible tweaks
>>>> to the system.
>>>> As a result we are living in ICANN 2.0, a system that
>>>> was imposed in a
>>>> top down manner and one that was never fully accepted by
>>>> those at the
>>>> bottom.
>>>>
>>>> Now, albeit in a very different configuration, the CCWG
>>>> is proposing to
>>>> establish a community consensus based idea of
>>>> membership. I believe that
>>>> this should be given a fair analysis before rejecting
>>>> it. It is also
>>>> important to remember that the NTIA requirements were
>>>> not a prohibition
>>>> of new mechanisms or structures, but rather evidence
>>>> that these
>>>> structure did not increase the current risk, or fact, of
>>>> capture and
>>>> that they could be held to account.
>>>>
>>>> The Board criticism is important to look at for
>>>> arguments that show the
>>>> areas in which the CCWG plan either does not explain its
>>>> protections
>>>> against capture and its accountability checks and
>>>> balances or may have
>>>> gaps in these areas. If we cannot explain what we
>>>> propose, or cannot
>>>> close the gaps, then it becomes time to consider
>>>> variations on the model
>>>> or another model altogether. In my opinion, we are not
>>>> there.
>>>>
>>>> avri
>>>>
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