[CCWG-ACCT] Where do we stand? (Was Re: Blog post on the Accountability work headed to Dublin)

Sat Oct 10 19:31:39 UTC 2015

Hi,

(I know this was addressed to the co-chairs and i am not one, yet I
presume to have an opinion on the subject)

As far as I understood we are, in parallel:

a. analyzing  and trying to respond to the comments, including those by
the Board, made about defects in explanation and design in the SM model
of Draft 2
b. analyzing the MEM counter proposal made by the Board

I disagree with your claim that working on the SM model is impractical.
It is still the model that responds to the largest number of community
concerns and best meets the CWG requirements.

The suggestion by Steve D. is just that, a suggestion. I do not believe
that there is a consensus in the group, at least not yet, about taking
that path.  Many, myself among them, have argued that we are not
comfortable with putting off the major accountability changes that are
required by the loss of NTIA. Yes, we need to prune and make sure that
the changes we work on are necessary for WS1, but given the
uncertainties about the post transition and any possible WS2, we must
make sure that the WS1 solution is sufficient.

avri

On 10-Oct-15 14:53, Seun Ojedeji wrote:
>
> Dear Co-Chairs,
>
> FWIW, I think at this point, it will be good to have an understanding
> of where we are heading from the Co-Chairs. In some discussions it
> seem we have understood and agreed that a model that implies a
> structural change is impractical during this transition phase hence
> the suggestion made by Steve.
>
> Yet in other discussions it seem we are going ahead with the
> structural change model irrespective of the concerns raised from parts
> of the community and board.
>
> In other to prepare towards Dublin and contribute in a meaningful way,
> I think a summary of where we are presently and what is expected to be
> achieved in Dublin will be helpful. I apologise if this has already
> been shared, and in that case a pointer will be appreciated.
>
> Regards
>
> Sent from my Asus Zenfone2
> Kindly excuse brevity and typos.
>
> On 10 Oct 2015 19:37, "Stephen Deerhake" <sdeerhake at nic.as
> <mailto:sdeerhake at nic.as>> wrote:
>
>     Paul,
>
>     Perhaps the Board chair is articulating a minority viewpoint? 
>     Afterall, the
>     Board will have to vote on the matter of sending/not sending the
>     output of
>     the CCWG on to NTIA.
>
>     Stephen Deerhake
>
>     -----Original Message-----
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>     [mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces at icann.org
>     <mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces at icann.org>] On
>     Behalf Of Paul
>     Rosenzweig
>     Sent: Saturday, October 10, 2015 6:05 AM
>     To: 'Bruce Tonkin' <Bruce.Tonkin at melbourneit.com.au
>     <mailto:Bruce.Tonkin at melbourneit.com.au>>; 'Accountability Cross
>     Community' <accountability-cross-community at icann.org
>     <mailto:accountability-cross-community at icann.org>>
>     Subject: Re: [CCWG-ACCT] Blog post on the Accountability work
>     headed to
>     Dublin
>
>     With respect Bruce, I share Anne's view that this is not
>     accurate.  The
>     Board chair has stated unequivocally that the Board will not submit a
>     Membership based proposal.  That is contrary to the statement that
>     the Board
>     will submit any proposal it receives from the CCWG "as is."  That is
>     categorically ruling out one type of "as is" proposal.
>
>     If you are seriously telling me that even after all this back and
>     forth the
>     Board actually would submit a "Membership only" based proposal to
>     the NTIA
>     then I would respectfully say that the Board has done a very poor
>     job of
>     communicating.
>
>     So ... answer this question please as directly as you are
>     willing:  If,
>     today, the CCWG having considered but declined to accept the
>     Board's input
>     were to submit a proposal based upon a Membership organization
>     would the
>     Board transmit it to the NTIA as the ICANN proposal?
>
>     Paul
>
>     Paul Rosenzweig
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>
>     -----Original Message-----
>     From: Bruce Tonkin [mailto:Bruce.Tonkin at melbourneit.com.au
>     <mailto:Bruce.Tonkin at melbourneit.com.au>]
>     Sent: Friday, October 9, 2015 10:03 PM
>     To: 'Accountability Cross Community'
>     <accountability-cross-community at icann.org
>     <mailto:accountability-cross-community at icann.org>>
>     Subject: Re: [CCWG-ACCT] Blog post on the Accountability work
>     headed to
>     Dublin
>
>     Hello Paul,
>
>     Regarding:
>
>       https://www.icann.org/news/announcement-3-2015-02-12-en
>
>     The statement still holds.
>
>     The Board has provided input on a draft document so far, and has
>     stated all
>     along that it would raise any concerns along the way and not wait
>     for a
>     final proposal to raise any concerns.
>
>     Regards,
>     Bruce Tonkin
>
>
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