[CCWG-ACCT] Where do we stand? (Was Re: Blog post on the Accountability work headed to Dublin)
Adebunmi AKINBO
akinbo.adebunmi at gmail.com
Sun Oct 11 14:25:58 UTC 2015
+1 Avri
On Sun, Oct 11, 2015 at 3:10 PM, Avri Doria <avri at acm.org> wrote:
> hi,
>
> I appreciate that my view has no currency with you.
>
> And while I, too, am always happy to hear how our chairs interpret the
> consensus or lack of consensus, which they believe we have reached, I
> would argue that it is the CCWG, or perhaps the CCWG members - we may be
> getting to that point (I am not a member), that determine where we are.
> The co-chairs read the signs, tell us where they think we are and we
> (or maybe the members) let them know if they got it right.
>
> Or at least that is how I thought it worked.
>
> avri
>
> On 11-Oct-15 00:47, Seun Ojedeji wrote:
> >
> > Hello Avri,
> >
> > Thanks for your response, I will not really attempt to address your
> > view so this does not distract from the essence of starting this thread.
> >
> > I think we have quite a number of differing individual opinion and it
> > gets so high at times that we miss the directions from the Co-Chairs.
> >
> > I will really appreciate that the Co-Chairs specifically provide
> > response to this question so we have an idea of what page we are
> > officially at in this process.
> >
> > Regards
> > PS: Co-Chairs may also just put a stamp on what Avri has said if
> > that's their understanding as well.
> > Sent from my Asus Zenfone2
> > Kindly excuse brevity and typos.
> >
> > On 10 Oct 2015 20:32, "Avri Doria" <avri at acm.org
> > <mailto:avri at acm.org>> wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > (I know this was addressed to the co-chairs and i am not one, yet I
> > presume to have an opinion on the subject)
> >
> > As far as I understood we are, in parallel:
> >
> > a. analyzing and trying to respond to the comments, including
> > those by
> > the Board, made about defects in explanation and design in the SM
> > model
> > of Draft 2
> > b. analyzing the MEM counter proposal made by the Board
> >
> > I disagree with your claim that working on the SM model is
> > impractical.
> > It is still the model that responds to the largest number of
> community
> > concerns and best meets the CWG requirements.
> >
> > The suggestion by Steve D. is just that, a suggestion. I do not
> > believe
> > that there is a consensus in the group, at least not yet, about
> taking
> > that path. Many, myself among them, have argued that we are not
> > comfortable with putting off the major accountability changes that
> are
> > required by the loss of NTIA. Yes, we need to prune and make sure
> that
> > the changes we work on are necessary for WS1, but given the
> > uncertainties about the post transition and any possible WS2, we must
> > make sure that the WS1 solution is sufficient.
> >
> > avri
> >
> >
> > On 10-Oct-15 14:53, Seun Ojedeji wrote:
> > >
> > > Dear Co-Chairs,
> > >
> > > FWIW, I think at this point, it will be good to have an
> > understanding
> > > of where we are heading from the Co-Chairs. In some discussions it
> > > seem we have understood and agreed that a model that implies a
> > > structural change is impractical during this transition phase hence
> > > the suggestion made by Steve.
> > >
> > > Yet in other discussions it seem we are going ahead with the
> > > structural change model irrespective of the concerns raised from
> > parts
> > > of the community and board.
> > >
> > > In other to prepare towards Dublin and contribute in a
> > meaningful way,
> > > I think a summary of where we are presently and what is expected
> > to be
> > > achieved in Dublin will be helpful. I apologise if this has already
> > > been shared, and in that case a pointer will be appreciated.
> > >
> > > Regards
> > >
> > > Sent from my Asus Zenfone2
> > > Kindly excuse brevity and typos.
> > >
> > > On 10 Oct 2015 19:37, "Stephen Deerhake" <sdeerhake at nic.as
> > <mailto:sdeerhake at nic.as>
> > > <mailto:sdeerhake at nic.as <mailto:sdeerhake at nic.as>>> wrote:
> > >
> > > Paul,
> > >
> > > Perhaps the Board chair is articulating a minority viewpoint?
> > > Afterall, the
> > > Board will have to vote on the matter of sending/not sending
> the
> > > output of
> > > the CCWG on to NTIA.
> > >
> > > Stephen Deerhake
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: accountability-cross-community-bounces at icann.org
> > <mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces at icann.org>
> > > <mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces at icann.org
> > <mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces at icann.org>>
> > > [mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces at icann.org
> > <mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces at icann.org>
> > > <mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces at icann.org
> > <mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces at icann.org>>] On
> > > Behalf Of Paul
> > > Rosenzweig
> > > Sent: Saturday, October 10, 2015 6:05 AM
> > > To: 'Bruce Tonkin' <Bruce.Tonkin at melbourneit.com.au
> > <mailto:Bruce.Tonkin at melbourneit.com.au>
> > > <mailto:Bruce.Tonkin at melbourneit.com.au
> > <mailto:Bruce.Tonkin at melbourneit.com.au>>>; 'Accountability Cross
> > > Community' <accountability-cross-community at icann.org
> > <mailto:accountability-cross-community at icann.org>
> > > <mailto:accountability-cross-community at icann.org
> > <mailto:accountability-cross-community at icann.org>>>
> > > Subject: Re: [CCWG-ACCT] Blog post on the Accountability work
> > > headed to
> > > Dublin
> > >
> > > With respect Bruce, I share Anne's view that this is not
> > > accurate. The
> > > Board chair has stated unequivocally that the Board will not
> > submit a
> > > Membership based proposal. That is contrary to the
> > statement that
> > > the Board
> > > will submit any proposal it receives from the CCWG "as is."
> > That is
> > > categorically ruling out one type of "as is" proposal.
> > >
> > > If you are seriously telling me that even after all this
> > back and
> > > forth the
> > > Board actually would submit a "Membership only" based
> > proposal to
> > > the NTIA
> > > then I would respectfully say that the Board has done a very
> > poor
> > > job of
> > > communicating.
> > >
> > > So ... answer this question please as directly as you are
> > > willing: If,
> > > today, the CCWG having considered but declined to accept the
> > > Board's input
> > > were to submit a proposal based upon a Membership organization
> > > would the
> > > Board transmit it to the NTIA as the ICANN proposal?
> > >
> > > Paul
> > >
> > > Paul Rosenzweig
> > > paul.rosenzweig at redbranchconsulting.com
> > <mailto:paul.rosenzweig at redbranchconsulting.com>
> > > <mailto:paul.rosenzweig at redbranchconsulting.com
> > <mailto:paul.rosenzweig at redbranchconsulting.com>>
> > > O: +1 (202) 547-0660 <tel:%2B1%20%28202%29%20547-0660>
> > <tel:%2B1%20%28202%29%20547-0660>
> > > M: +1 (202) 329-9650 <tel:%2B1%20%28202%29%20329-9650>
> > <tel:%2B1%20%28202%29%20329-9650>
> > > VOIP: +1 (202) 738-1739 <tel:%2B1%20%28202%29%20738-1739>
> > > Skype: paul.rosenzweig1066
> > > Link to my PGP Key
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Bruce Tonkin [mailto:Bruce.Tonkin at melbourneit.com.au
> > <mailto:Bruce.Tonkin at melbourneit.com.au>
> > > <mailto:Bruce.Tonkin at melbourneit.com.au
> > <mailto:Bruce.Tonkin at melbourneit.com.au>>]
> > > Sent: Friday, October 9, 2015 10:03 PM
> > > To: 'Accountability Cross Community'
> > > <accountability-cross-community at icann.org
> > <mailto:accountability-cross-community at icann.org>
> > > <mailto:accountability-cross-community at icann.org
> > <mailto:accountability-cross-community at icann.org>>>
> > > Subject: Re: [CCWG-ACCT] Blog post on the Accountability work
> > > headed to
> > > Dublin
> > >
> > > Hello Paul,
> > >
> > > Regarding:
> > >
> > > https://www.icann.org/news/announcement-3-2015-02-12-en
> > >
> > > The statement still holds.
> > >
> > > The Board has provided input on a draft document so far, and
> has
> > > stated all
> > > along that it would raise any concerns along the way and not
> > wait
> > > for a
> > > final proposal to raise any concerns.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Bruce Tonkin
> > >
> > >
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