[CCWG-ACCT] Blog post on the Accountability work headed to Dublin

Tue Oct 13 18:31:32 UTC 2015

Many thanks Mike.  Indeed if the Charter has been modified, then it seems there must be a Charter amendment and I am sure there is a formal process for that as well.
Anne

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From: Chartier, Mike S [mailto:mike.s.chartier at intel.com]
Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2015 11:25 AM
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Anne,
            See the attached which is Bruce’s response to this question. They will forward whatever CCWG sends, and I think they always had the right to comment.
And if they have issues they will continue dialog.
But I think the Resolution of 10/16/14 is superseded by the Board statement of Feb’15 (at least that seems to be the current mode of operation). So I don’t see how the whole “2/3rds finding of not in the global interest” thing fits in at all anymore. That process made sense when the Board was able to invoke a veto (per the Charter), but since they are going to forward regardless, it seems reasonable that they be freer to talk. But Bruce copied in case I am miss-interpreting things.
            I think what IS important is that the co-chairs revise the charter to reflect what the process actually is that we followed, including interaction with the board, because this is an important piece of the proposal to the USG to demonstrate proper due diligence.

Mike

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Greg – I thought Larry just said – “Get consensus and hurry up.”   The Board has not actually followed the procedure specified in the Charter for notifying the CCWG that it believes the proposal is “not in the global public interest”.  I suppose they may do so if the CCWG-Accountability does not accept their counter-proposal.   I don’t know how they send a letter to NTIA disagreeing with the CCWG-ACCT recommendation without formally following the procedure below first.  But maybe they already did?  Did someone hear of a 2/3 majority Board vote that the CCWG Proposal is not in the global public interest?  Is that where we are headed if the processing of public comment does not result in the structure the Board desires?  (So much for the MSM.)

So when out next report comes out, it is presumed the Board may say it has not yet followed the procedure below and would then, at that point in the future, take a vote requiring 2/3 majority and then notify the CCWG?

Phil Corwin’s prior post repeated here:

“Finally, on the matter of the “global public interest”, points #2 & 3 of the CCWG Charter states:
2.            If the Board believes it is not in the global public interest to implement a recommendation from the Cross Community Working Group on Enhancing ICANN Accountability and Governance (CCWG Recommendation), it must initiate a dialogue with the CCWG. A determination that it is not in the global public interest to implement a CCWG Recommendation requires a 2/3 majority of the Board.
3.            The Board must provide detailed rationale to accompany the initiation of dialogue. The Board shall agree with the CCWG the method (e.g., by teleconference, email or otherwise) by which the dialogue will occur. The discussions shall be held in good faith and in a timely and efficient manner, to find a mutually acceptable solution.”

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Lurking behind all this (in my mind) is Larry Strickling apparently saying that he does not want to receive a proposal that does not have the support of the Board.

That would make any proposal sent with a lack of support from the Board a non-starter.

I could be misremembering, but I don't think I'm far off.

On Mon, Oct 12, 2015 at 10:05 PM, avri doria <avri at ella.com<mailto:avri at ella.com>> wrote:
Agreed.

The biggest threat to the model is showing icann to have been a broken implementation.

avri

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+1

The original impetus of this whole transition effort was to save the MSM as embodied within ICANN in the wake of the Snowden revelations.

The MSM is weakened, not saved, by rejecting and rewriting its output.

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And that, it seems to me, Bruce, is at the nub of the problem.  In theory, the Board has committed to transmitting whatever the CCWG submits, but in reserving the right to negate what has been submitted with its own comments (which would, in effect, kill any proposal) it takes away with the left hand what it gives with the right.  It is, as EL says, now down to who blinks first, it seems.

More to the point however, whenever the Board says the first part ("we will submit whatever we get") without also saying the second part ("but we reserve the right to countermand that submittal with comments") it is misleading.  Many in the community read the "we will submit" as an endorsement of the CCWG process without limitation.  Leaving out the critical limitation makes statements incomplete and adversely effects communication and expectation.  Thus, the Board's promise in Buenos Aires was read as more palliative than it actually is because of its reserved powers.

In addition, when someone (like Senator Thune) asks the question from a practical perspective ("will the board accept") then leaving out the caveat is an omission that affirmatively obscures the reality.

And then, there is the last sadder point:  Which is that the Board's reservation of a right to comment even after it participates in the process and, hypothetically, has the community reject its concerns reflects a distrust of the MSM and a paternalistic attitude that suggests to me all sorts of inadequacies.  If the Board's conclusion is true, then ICANN is not fit for the transition.  If it is false, then the Board misreads the community badly.  Either prospect is daunting

Paul

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Hello Mike,

>>  Are you going to forward them promptly, or follow the Charter and the
Resolution of 10/16/14?

We will do both.

If there is any disagreement - we will include that in a note to the NTIA
along with the ICG and CCWG Proposals, and then initiate a dialogue with the
CCWG.   We will advise the NTIA of the outcome of any such process.   The
NTIA could either wait for the process to conclude, or it could be that the
NTIA decides that the area of disagreement is not material to the IANA
stewardship.   I don't wish to speculate, that is for the NTIA to decide.
The aim clearly is to develop a proposal that has broad support, and avoids
the need for any follow on process.

Regards,
Bruce Tonkin

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