[CCWG-ACCT] Spam and Identity

Fri Oct 16 20:24:39 UTC 2015

Ron:
I don't know who you are but you are wasting everyone's time.

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From: Ron Baione
Sent: Friday, October 16, 2015 9:18 PM
To: paul.rosenzweig at redbranchconsulting.com; Roelof.Meijer at sidn.nl; accountability-cross-community at icann.org
Subject: Re: [CCWG-ACCT] Spam and Identity

Another point on this "situation", email providers have always had a difficult time with mailing list functionality, in fact, my spam folder has lots of non-spam in it at the present time, with a rough estimate of about 20% of those messages from ARIN, IGF, ICANN, ISOC, ACM and other mailing lists I participate in or learn about internet governance from.

Now, do I wonder why those emails are in my spam folder or go through the effort of posting glitch notifications about one of those spam messages to an entire group of people? No, I accept that when people are emailing hundreds or people at a time sometimes things can get glitchy, sometimes things bounceback, and end up in the spam folder. When new people sign up for a mailing list, that further complicates matters. Questions and comments should be directed towards the ICANN technical team, not to the group as a whole.

I'd request a class on email provision and mailing lists 101, but none of the ICANN learn classes are functioning since the new format was recently instated.

Ron

________________________________
From: Ron Baione <ron.baione at yahoo.com>;
To: Paul Rosenzweig <paul.rosenzweig at redbranchconsulting.com>; <Roelof.Meijer at sidn.nl>; <accountability-cross-community at icann.org>;
Subject: Re: Spam and Identity
Sent: Fri, Oct 16, 2015 7:32:52 PM

"Sorry Mr. Baione but I don’t know Yahoo’s protocols."

If you don't know anything about Yahoo's protocols, which often glitch, why didn't you say so in your email, Paul? Instead your email made a "statement of fact" which, without that context, may lead others to believe and form negative opinions of me without that important context.

"As for your SOI – I went to it when you were marked as spam to see who you were and why you were interested in the process.  I still don’t know."

Please direct me to the ICANN protocol which states someone must prove to you or anyone else why they are intersted in ICANN? Further, I provided an introductory email to each and every email list I have signed up for in the past few weeks detailing my interest. My primary interest in the internet is working to improve internet expansion and literacy rates in Central America, and being involved in ICANN seemed like a great way to learn and participate in that future goal. Why I have to explain myself to you though, is a mystery.

"I made two true statements of fact and you react by complaining.  That’s another true statement of fact."

Again, I ask that any future "statements of fact" directed towards or about myself include relevant information such as, "I don't know Yahoo's protocols".

Ron

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From: Paul Rosenzweig <paul.rosenzweig at redbranchconsulting.com>;
To: 'Ron Baione' <ron.baione at yahoo.com>; <Roelof.Meijer at sidn.nl>; <accountability-cross-community at icann.org>;
Subject: RE: Spam and Identity
Sent: Fri, Oct 16, 2015 7:19:57 PM

Sorry Mr. Baione but I don’t know Yahoo’s protocols.  As for your SOI – I went to it when you were marked as spam to see who you were and why you were interested in the process.  I still don’t know.

I made two true statements of fact and you react by complaining.  That’s another true statement of fact.

Paul

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From: Ron Baione [mailto:ron.baione at yahoo.com]
Sent: Friday, October 16, 2015 3:12 PM
To: Paul Rosenzweig <paul.rosenzweig at redbranchconsulting.com>; Roelof.Meijer at sidn.nl; accountability-cross-community at icann.org
Subject: Re: Spam and Identity

If you can kindly direct me towards "yahoo's required tests for authentication" I will more than gladly take those tests, Please advise.

Or is the actual story that my email was marked as spam because you marked it as spam, and then forgot that you did so, then you "received a notification" about it. And then for some reason you link to my SOI to "prove" something maybe, not sure. One has to question the amount of effort and thought that has gone into publicly insulting and insinuating about someone who is even slightly critical of the transition process, or whatever the reasoning is, still yet to be expained, and after this much time I doubt an explanation will be provided.

If this is any indication of how the multistakeholder process functions, well, maybe I was led to believe we would be spending our effort on ideas and consensus, not insults and insinuations. How do I log into my email account if it isn't authenticated, magic? Again, no explanation required here, and I ask the Ombudsman and Grace to review Paul's email.

Ron

________________________________
From: Paul Rosenzweig <paul.rosenzweig at redbranchconsulting.com>;
To: 'Ron Baione' <ron.baione at yahoo.com>; 'Roelof Meijer' <Roelof.Meijer at sidn.nl>; <accountability-cross-community at icann.org>;
Subject: Spam and Identity
Sent: Fri, Oct 16, 2015 6:37:41 PM

Colleagues

With regard to the messages from Mr. Baione I received the following notification:  “Why is this message in Spam?  It’s from an address in the yahoo.com domain but has failed yahoo.com’s required tests for authentication.”  Mr. Baione’s SOI is here: https://community.icann.org/display/gnsosoi/Ronald+Baione-Doda+SOI

Regards
Paul

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From: Ron Baione [mailto:ron.baione at yahoo.com]
Sent: Friday, October 16, 2015 1:15 PM
To: Roelof Meijer <Roelof.Meijer at sidn.nl>; accountability-cross-community at icann.org
Subject: Re: [CCWG-ACCT] Meeting location

Again, I would like the community and the Ombudsman to make note of that Direct and viscious insult calling me Mr. "Baloney". The name-calling on this mailing list appears to be part of the ccwg culture, sadly. I can understand why people would be hesitant to submit new ideas or comments to this email list, but insults should not deter the good work being accomplished by ccwg-accountability.

"I, probably like quite a few others on this list, fail to see the link between your message below and the subject of this thread (“Meeting location”).

The message reference the Ombudsman's comment about polite discourse, not sure how you missed that part of the email, regardless of the "subject" of the email, most people respond to the "contents" of an email.

"During our last CCWG call, I commented on the number of emails we all have to deal with and the fact that practically in every mail thread of this group, there’s growing divergence between the title of the thread and the content of submissions of some as the discussion proceeds."

Again, the subject of an email is less relevant than the contents of an email.

"A factor that makes it very difficult for the reader to just read those emails that are worth the time."

We all have a certain level of dedication to the imoortant work of ccwg-accountability. If you can't read all the emails, may I suggest receiving the "digest" of emails? Not sure how to solve your issue of not being to read each and every email in full. There are classes on time-management, but that is your call, obviously.

"I would greatly appreciate it if you would stick to the good practice of ensuring that the content of your message is aligned with subject specified in the header."

That is not a "practice" good or bad, that I have ever heard of so my answer is no unless you can provide a source proving the existence of such a practice, thanks.

Ron

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From: Roelof Meijer <Roelof.Meijer at sidn.nl>;
To: Ron Baione <ron.baione at yahoo.com>; accountability-cross-community at icann.org <accountability-cross-community at icann.org>;
Subject: Re: [CCWG-ACCT] Meeting location
Sent: Fri, Oct 16, 2015 7:46:00 AM

Dear mr. Baloney,

I, probably like quite a few others on this list, fail to see the link between your message below and the subject of this thread (“Meeting location”).
During our last CCWG call, I commented on the number of emails we all have to deal with and the fact that practically in every mail thread of this group, there’s growing divergence between the title of the thread and the content of submissions of some as the discussion proceeds.
A factor that makes it very difficult for the reader to just read those emails that are worth the time.

I would greatly appreciate it if you would stick to the good practice of ensuring that the content of your message is aligned with subject specified in the header.

Best,

Roelof Meijer

From: <accountability-cross-community-bounces at icann.org> on behalf of Ron Baione <ron.baione at yahoo.com>
Date: vrijdag 16 oktober 2015 01:45
To: Grace Abuhamad <grace.abuhamad at icann.org>, "accountability-cross-community at icann.org" <accountability-cross-community at icann.org>
Subject: Re: [CCWG-ACCT] Meeting location

It's not a policy on polite discourse if it is not enforced, especially when someone can be directly, publicly insulted without any fear of the Ombusdmans ability to enforce that policy. It is clear that after being publicly referred to impolitely and unfairly objectified as a "troll", an "it", "a silicone based lifeform", labeled as "hostile", and told to "give it a rest" simply for trying to participate and share new ideas, there is no actual ability for the Ombudsman to enforce the policy being referred to.

The very fact that the Ombusdman already sent a note previously asking members of this list to follow the policy on polite discourse, prior to my being assigned as a participant to CCWG-Accountability, shows me that there has long needed to be some sort of special review of the comments made by members of this mailing list to see if there is a atmosphere of disrespect that for some reason has evolved over a lengthy period of time. After such a review of the distractions, the real work of completing the ICANN transition process will be more successful in my opinion. Can the Ombudsman comment on this proposal and/or perform such a review?

Ron

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From: Grace Abuhamad <grace.abuhamad at icann.org>;
To: Accountability Cross Community <accountability-cross-community at icann.org>;
Subject: [CCWG-ACCT] Meeting location
Sent: Thu, Oct 15, 2015 10:58:48 PM

Dear all,

For those who are attending in person, the CCWG meeting will take place in Liffey Hall on the 1st floor on the convention center. I sent information about the shuttles to/from the hotel in a prior email<http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/accountability-cross-community/2015-October/006773.html>.

For those attending remotely, please join us via the virtual meeting room at: https://icann.adobeconnect.com/dub54-liffeyhall2/

As a reminder, all ICANN meetings (including the chat rooms and mailing lists) follow ICANN’s Expected Standards of Behavior. For reference these are located here: https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/expected-standards-2012-05-15-en. In the words of the ICANN Ombudsman from a note he sent to this list on 22 June: "May I implore participants to continue to note the ICANN policy on polite discourse. It is important to have a strong and vigorous debate but we don't need to make personal attacks on each other. A polite note of disagreement should be sufficient, and has been frequently used. But if we start to attack individuals on list, this will distract us from the real tasks.”

Looking forward to seeing you in 8 hours,
Grace

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